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__Alexwen__ #21 Posted 19 January 2019 - 10:59 PM

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When they need to let off some steam

3x3: 21.xx AO5

2x2: 8.xx

OH: 30.xx

4x4: 1:45

Oh nevermind, wrong forum.


ZebraUp #22 Posted 19 January 2019 - 11:12 PM

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I still have a couple of low tier tanks that i am slowly trying to bring up to 100 battles so you will occasionally see me in a tier 3 or 4 battle, not usually more than 2 or 3 in a day.

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cpcurly #23 Posted 20 January 2019 - 12:27 AM

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Sounds like I should stay in tier 5 and 6, tier 8 to 10 do not sound like fun. That’s cool , thanks for the responses

Edited by cpcurly, 20 January 2019 - 12:29 AM.


Davedt #24 Posted 20 January 2019 - 01:58 AM

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I play my 5X tanks first and then my current grind tanks and then if I have time my favourite tanks which means I am rarely playing my best winrate tanks or strongest tanks... I play for fun and always try my best to support my team but hey its a game after all

Morphman11 #25 Posted 20 January 2019 - 04:16 AM

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Because they aren't good enough to play higher tier vehicles.

BoomBoyGT #26 Posted 20 January 2019 - 04:31 AM

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View Post9_V0LT, on 19 January 2019 - 08:34 PM, said:

 

sort of like beating your wife or kicking a puppy, after a stressful day at work?

 

More like going and shooting cheap china or skeet shooting.

 

I refuse to acknowledge abuse as a form of example.



slenderfungus #27 Posted 20 January 2019 - 04:41 AM

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View Postdjhiz, on 19 January 2019 - 10:49 AM, said:

WG changed the matchmaker to put players with less that 5k games into their own queue. If you have above that number, you'll only see "veteran" players at low tier.

 

This is false. I've been in games with 40K, 50K and 60K players frequently.

wrecker1968 #28 Posted 20 January 2019 - 05:41 AM

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tier 1-5 is not fun anymore.  too long of a wait time. and they turned the tanks to  cr  ap  too.

Absolute_Sniper #29 Posted 20 January 2019 - 06:06 AM

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View Postslenderfungus, on 20 January 2019 - 04:41 AM, said:

 

This is false. I've been in games with 40K, 50K and 60K players frequently.

The low battle count separate MM is not false. It only kicks when when there is over 10k players on the server.   Don’t put out bad info. There are a lot of times that there are less than 10k players on and therefore only one queue for everyone. 



4sfield #30 Posted 20 January 2019 - 01:38 PM

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View PostAbsolute_Sniper, on 20 January 2019 - 01:06 AM, said:

The low battle count separate MM is not false. It only kicks when when there is over 10k players on the server.   Don’t put out bad info. There are a lot of times that there are less than 10k players on and therefore only one queue for everyone. 

 

  I’ve seen just as many 40%ers white 20K players as I am 50%ers and most of the 50%ers are not high 50%ers. Yesterday I remember a guy with 59k battles that was a 42%er. Battle count makes no difference, you can either play or you can’t. 

 

  Another thing I noticed is the crazy amount of games with either 1 or no mediums or lights and it seems like when you do have them, nobody knows how to or is unwilling to do any spotting. It’s so bad I’ve taken to reminding guys to do their jobs in chat which goes nowhere good. Guys who suck with 20-50k battles are harder to talk to than guys who suck with less than 5k battles. 

 

  There were times yesterday when I couldn’t play a medium either. It did absolutely no good to light up the targets, because no one came out of their initial positions to prosecute them. Guys in lights and mediums wouldn’t cross the creek at Port Bay, guys in the same tanks running down the hilI at middleburg, guys posting up on bushes away from the fight with no shots on every map, town goers at Blackgoldville, it’s frustrating. I finally gave up and and ended up playing a jpanther. My luck immediately changed when I did that. It still wasn’t a lot of fun and I lost games that I should have won. When you play a TD, guys yolo for the kills that you smack for high damage and end up getting themselves killed. Everybody is a camper until a kill shot becomes available and for the most part nobody knows wth their role in the battle is. 

 

  Battle count is irrelevent they should have based mm in avg damage or WN8. Most guys with high battle counts haven’t learned anything. They don’t understand that there are times that being seen and forcing the reds to account for them is beneficial. They’re 1st instinct is to run or hide when they have a numerical advantage. Even with high battle counts they lock in your bumper, block you and get you shot. They’re indecisive and don’t move when the battle starts. They are unaware and incapable of making a decision when you need them to so they do what they always do which is nothing. They can’t read a mini map and they think they’re snipers no matter what type of tank they’re playing. They freak out in a brawl and get you, themselves or both of you killed. I expect more from guys who have battle counts that high, I don’t believe I’m asking too much of them but those are the excuses I got when I discussed it with others after games. 

 

  I did see some good players but not enough to make up for the bad ones. The new queues are no different than before, in fact they may be worse because the guys with all of those battles who can’t play can’t be taught anything. 

 

  


 

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Gojira5475 #31 Posted 20 January 2019 - 04:56 PM

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Here's another reason I don't do it: missions...

 

On a lark because of this thread I picked the Matilda up again and spent a bit last night playing it...

 

Now I'm stuck with mission for level IV that may take days to get rid of :facepalm:

 

F-ing and F right up the bung low levels :angry:



__Crusader6__ #32 Posted 21 January 2019 - 11:30 PM

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View PostBellatormonk, on 19 January 2019 - 05:28 PM, said:

 

Except for the reality that there are a metric sh!t ton of crap players in the higher tiers being another of the main reasons. It is harder to carry T8-10 no matter your skill if MM hands you a sh!t team.

 

More bad players in high tiers makes it easier for better players to carry.  

   What often happens is (and I am guilty of this at times) making mistakes thinking your team has a brain and you end up over extending.   

   They key to success in the swarms of stupid is to identify where you can do the most good for your team.  

Quite often that isn’t the best spot for your specific tank - but due to the ineptitude of greens (and/or reds) you need to fill a position. 

  The faster you, me Etc can identify that - the better one does.  

 

That pivotal identification is the biggest gap between low 60’s and high 60’s high tier players.  


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Player_5773117413 #33 Posted 21 January 2019 - 11:47 PM

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stet pedders

 

They can do whatever they want, it is their account after all. But many of the guys you see with a few hundred, maybe even thousand, battles in tanks tier 4 and below, and maybe even tier 5 and 6, are deep inside so extremely hell bent on impressing strangers, that they don't meet in real life, with a pattern of big numbers.

 

However, they are either 1) incapable of matching those numbers on an even playing field so they add the handicap or 2) they are looking for the escalator near the stairs.


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SchnauzerKampfwagenIV #34 Posted 23 January 2019 - 12:27 AM

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View Postdjhiz, on 19 January 2019 - 05:49 PM, said:

WG changed the matchmaker to put players with less that 5k games into their own queue. If you have above that number, you'll only see "veteran" players at low tier.

Than why does the low tier gameplay seem exponentially worse? 



Dan_Deerso #35 Posted 23 January 2019 - 12:42 AM

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View PostSchnauzerKampfwagenIV, on 22 January 2019 - 07:27 PM, said:

Than why does the low tier gameplay seem exponentially worse? 

 

Because unless you're a dominant player, having more competition is going to seem exponentially harder than the previous five year reign of seal bashing.

chipshot07 #36 Posted 23 January 2019 - 01:05 AM

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After the last upgrade and tank buy out of my favorite low tier tanks I decided to play the newer ones I got from them.  I want to work them up to the fullest.  Plus! I am grinding the new China line and have to start from tier one in order to do that.  That’s how it works.  

SchnauzerKampfwagenIV #37 Posted 25 January 2019 - 09:21 PM

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View PostDan_Deerso, on 23 January 2019 - 12:42 AM, said:

 

Because unless you're a dominant player, having more competition is going to seem exponentially harder than the previous five year reign of seal bashing.

No what I'm saying is one could count on some competence from some players in at least some battles. Now I'm seeing worse play in say tiers 4 and 5.



___ez_e___ #38 Posted 25 January 2019 - 11:04 PM

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Idk

 

Not me, well maybe tier 5, but only because I’m grinding those tanks (or in the case of a Anko I must have accidentally hit battle because I never played).  Lol. 

 

I pretty much stay tier 6 and above.

 

I can’t see it being entertaining at the lower tiers.  The tanks are trashed.    

 

 

 



9_V0LT #39 Posted 25 January 2019 - 11:06 PM

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View PostBoomBoyGT, on 20 January 2019 - 04:31 AM, said:

 

More like going and shooting cheap china or skeet shooting.

 

I refuse to acknowledge abuse as a form of example.

 

So you associate new, less skilled players, trying to learn the basics of the game, with inanimate objects?

 

When they call it “seal clubbing”, they aren’t referring to clay or porcelain seals. 


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9_V0LT #40 Posted 25 January 2019 - 11:16 PM

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The entire point of Wargaming making so many changes in the lower tiers, is so no one player can easily dominate or carry an entire team to victory. 

 

Personally, I think tiers four and five are going to turn out to be arenas where true skill in the game will come out. 

Like in NASCAR, all the cars are essentially the same design with the same capabilities and limitations, every driver starts out on an even playing field and only their own driving skill will see them cross the finish line first. 


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