

#21 Posted 29 January 2019 - 05:19 AM
#22 Posted 29 January 2019 - 07:47 AM
I don’t really mind Mines in higher tiers.
Of course I generally play gun depression tanks with decent turrets.
But while the initial opening is pretty pretty clear to anyone with a brain 90% of the playerbase has proven they don’t have that.
I woukd strongly support a rework.
#24 Posted 29 January 2019 - 12:37 PM
#25 Posted 29 January 2019 - 12:57 PM
TEXAS_for_the_win, on 28 January 2019 - 02:36 PM, said:
don't tell anyone, but you still can get on the hill without going up the main path
teach me your ways
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#26 Posted 29 January 2019 - 01:12 PM
Posit1ve_, on 28 January 2019 - 06:10 PM, said:
I like Mines.
It's probably one of the more underestimated maps IMO, and one of the few asymmetrical maps I actually like.
Sure, the inital stages play out fairly similarly on each match, but the mid game on mines becomes far more dynamic, and requires more thought than most maps.
Do you retreat back to underneath the hill where your TDs can possibly cover you?
Do you turn around and destroy the enemy flankers going through town?
Do you move to an island corner to control the hill entrance?
Do you make a bold push through the town or island to get to a corner to spot the enemy TDs and crossfire the hill?
Do you push onto the hill while the enemy isn't looking?
There's so many different things to do on mines after the opening moves by both teams which makes it far more dynamic than other maps where the moves are a lot more preset
^ this. +ve on point again.
I would only add that the simplicity of the map lends itself to concentrating on simple tanking. Yes TDs are waiting to take your turret off, but that’s all part of the game. Plus there’s spots from where you can get shots with only small risks. Mines encourages smart tanking. Resetting camo. Hull down. Accurate shooting. It’s also a map where most everyone’s role is very very clear.
#27 Posted 29 January 2019 - 02:23 PM
__V_O_P__, on 29 January 2019 - 08:12 AM, said:
^ this. +ve on point again.
I would only add that the simplicity of the map lends itself to concentrating on simple tanking. Yes TDs are waiting to take your turret off, but that’s all part of the game. Plus there’s spots from where you can get shots with only small risks. Mines encourages smart tanking. Resetting camo. Hull down. Accurate shooting. It’s also a map where most everyone’s role is very very clear.
One simple correction. A map where everyone’s role SHOULD be clear

Edited by __Crusader6__, 29 January 2019 - 02:23 PM.
#28 Posted 29 January 2019 - 04:48 PM
__V_O_P__, on 29 January 2019 - 08:12 AM, said:
^ this. +ve on point again.
I would only add that the simplicity of the map lends itself to concentrating on simple tanking. Yes TDs are waiting to take your turret off, but that’s all part of the game. Plus there’s spots from where you can get shots with only small risks. Mines encourages smart tanking. Resetting camo. Hull down. Accurate shooting. It’s also a map where most everyone’s role is very very clear.
You are listing qualities that basically are unknown to 95% of the players....
#29 Posted 29 January 2019 - 04:59 PM
#30 Posted 29 January 2019 - 05:57 PM
I would also add that the map isn't very balanced between the spawns either. For example, the TD camping spot on one side is easier to cover a large area compared to the other. At the hill ridge, one side has a flatter approach than the other, giving a benefit to tanks without good gun depression, so, for example, and IS-3 can sit on that ridge and shoot the hull of a T34 on the other side that can see nothing but the IS-3s turret. One side has a better approach to the island, etc. This makes the map very tank type dependent.
#31 Posted 29 January 2019 - 06:27 PM
To those who lose
Winrate is meaningless.
#32 Posted 29 January 2019 - 06:36 PM
vvk2, on 29 January 2019 - 11:59 AM, said:
I don’t rush hill. I type ‘control the hill entrance’. I rush up and stop short, my goal is not to expose and track the poor shmuck who tries to rush on red.
Rushing is pretty much a desthwish if any reds expect it (and let’s face it - most are waiting on it).
#33 Posted 29 January 2019 - 06:36 PM
vvk2, on 29 January 2019 - 04:59 PM, said:
If I’m a Med I rarely rush the hill - unless there’s a few of us and we are faster than Red - otherwise it’s a death trap.
I would say that played properly if Red gets there first with only one tank I dont see it as an issue. There’s a small advantage but it’s manageable.
#34 Posted 29 January 2019 - 11:14 PM
Posit1ve_, on 28 January 2019 - 04:58 PM, said:
that’s because they didn’t make a supremacy for it.
On PC, Mines is one of the 8 primary competitive maps that has been played pretty much since the beginning, and Blitz Mines is basically identical to PC Mines, but the distances are slightly scaled down
"Slightly"
Maximum shooting range you can get from the Lighthouse hill on mines to the enemy cap is 200 to 300 meters.
Same position and angle on Blitz: 100m tops
#35 Posted 30 January 2019 - 07:21 AM
__Crusader6__, on 29 January 2019 - 06:23 AM, said:
One simple correction. A map where everyone’s role SHOULD be clear

One simple solution. Make tankers play ONLY mines until they have a 30 day WR of at least 50%. You will learn everything you need to know about yoloing, gun depression, armor, hull down, avoid towns, relocating, spotting, patience, etc. You will learn a lot about tanks in that map. No real sidescraping unless you mess around in town but you can’t have everything.
#36 Posted 30 January 2019 - 01:19 PM
__Crusader6__, on 29 January 2019 - 01:36 PM, said:
I don’t rush hill. I type ‘control the hill entrance’. I rush up and stop short, my goal is not to expose and track the poor shmuck who tries to rush on red.
Rushing is pretty much a desthwish if any reds expect it (and let’s face it - most are waiting on it).
I do the same. I say "deny hill entrance" and will stop short so I can get a tracking shot in if I can.
To those who lose
Winrate is meaningless.
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