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TO_Dominator #1 Posted 15 February 2019 - 07:08 PM

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Bought the tank from new years, like 99% of all players you see driving the type 59 right now.

 

I find it rather weak, as its gun is trash in every way, its slow, and its hull armor isn't good either.

 

It's only strength is its turret and gun depression, and 7 while 7 degrees is decent, it isn't exactly good.

 

They should buff the gun in terms of either DPM, pen, or gun handling, or buff the mobility.  


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anonym_2ZNiJLJL8ln2 #2 Posted 15 February 2019 - 07:33 PM

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If Type 59 is buffed, T-44 should be buffed. Type 59 continues to totally outclass T-44 despite not being very good.

 

Anyone care for a historical justification? D-10T is strong enough IRL, over 6 MJ KE.

 

What should be getting buffed is 100mm gun alpha and then the pen. Without more punch neither will be particularly useful for a long time. Say, Type 59 had less alpha and pen, T-44 has more, blame that on better AP shot.

 

Thanks to T-54 mod1 and gold nerf.

 

 

That being said Type 59 is about making shots and winning when you do it every time. You cannot bleed. It is about the skill to make every shot count. I find it very likeable.

 

For me, I built the gun on EPen Super & Acc. The gun handling is workable because the armor let's you gain aim time over the baddie enemies. And it snaps surprisingly well.

 

Buffing something that it doesn't really *need* as much as it needs punch and pen is a different thing entirely. That is what I am confident in, having played lots of Type 59.



TO_Dominator #3 Posted 15 February 2019 - 07:47 PM

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IMO, the T-44 is better than the Type 59. It's faster because of a much stronger engine, the same gun depression, almost as good hull armor and its gun has more DPM, and accuracy. The only thing the T-44 is weaker in is the turret, but its turret is enough to troll most shots because of the massive mantlet. 

 

But sure, both are powercreeped by the mod 1. 


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djhiz #4 Posted 15 February 2019 - 07:52 PM

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View PostTO_Dominator, on 15 February 2019 - 07:47 PM, said:

But sure, both are powercreeped by the mod 1. 

Pretty much everything is powercreeped by the Mod...


 

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anonym_2ZNiJLJL8ln2 #5 Posted 15 February 2019 - 07:53 PM

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I think, with great certainty, that you are wrong in this. Type 59 and T-44 is not even a comparison.

 

Turret is only troll if baddie can't aim. At 150 meter fight I will make your turret bleed health super fast. Type 59? Even if you are stationary, penning is a struggle.

 

Type 59 can safely build epen, super, acc, to achieve what T-44 only has in acc.

 

The hull armor is a difference of over 10%. That isn't small. I build enhanced armor to completely shut down T-44's when I work a ridge.

 

Type 59 can aim in front of a heavy and not get punished nearly as bad as T-44.

 

 

If you do the math it is much more beneficial to look for increase alpha. At the moment T-44 has a 46 second TTK against equal tier tanks. T-43 has 37 second if unlucky, under 33 if it is lucky. That's kinda [edited]if you think about it.

320 alpha? Then it is 5HK, not 6HK. 340 alpha? 5HK consistently. Assuming you keep the reload, that is very painful for enemy, that is 38 second TTK.

 

Naturally reload gets nerfed, but HK value is still very important. The TTK isn't good, but combine good HK with ability to output well and you get good tank.

Who remembers IS-8?

 

Type 59 is even worse. All in all, it doesn't matter if your DPM is slightly better if your TTK is worse, or generally kinda trash. Type 59 can make every shot count and make them bleed potential way better than T-44.

 

 

T-44's problem is quite simple. The TTK is bad enough that you can't get it to be useable as a medium just about ever. IS-3 can front pen its way to 48 second TTK.



Ronin_23 #6 Posted 15 February 2019 - 07:54 PM

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I thought the Type was underwhelming when I bought it during the xmas auction. I played a good number of games in it then with like 55% wr. I then didn't touch it for like a month until I got the Ding camo during this event.

 

Not that the camo changed anything but I've played a few games in it this week and it's a fine tank, it just isn't OP and you NEED to use that turret. Use the turret, the front armor isn't as good as I expected it would be, and win every trade.



anonym_2ZNiJLJL8ln2 #7 Posted 15 February 2019 - 08:12 PM

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View Postdjhiz, on 15 February 2019 - 07:52 PM, said:

Pretty much everything is powercreeped by the Mod...

 

While I do think they should be exterminated by WG, I don't think Mod1 is useful anymore.

fortune_FM #8 Posted 15 February 2019 - 08:52 PM

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I agree on a slight buff in some way, as well as the t44.   The argument you get though is that the 59 overall stat line is good in the community.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I do not believe WG looks at overall player states just individual tank stats.  The people who play the 59 continuously are the ones who are typical good players.  

_CH3F #9 Posted 15 February 2019 - 09:24 PM

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Yes, yes it does. 





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