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RommelTanker #1 Posted 07 May 2019 - 11:48 PM

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So, I've though about it a bit and I've come to an interesting conclusion: WN8 and WN7 are becoming relics of the past. These stat metrics are no longer the titans of determining a player's effectiveness, at least not as much as they used to be. WN8 can be easily padded in certain machines based on the machine's averages, and WN7 is simply a dinosaur that I doubt anyone really looks at anymore.

 

Is it possible that we need a new stat metric for measuring the performance of players? It's hard to say whether or not it's necessary at this stage of the game, but I feel like it has to be considered somewhat.

 

 


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View PostRommelTanker, on 07 May 2019 - 05:48 PM, said:

So, I've though about it a bit and I've come to an interesting conclusion: WN8 and WN7 are becoming relics of the past. These stat metrics are no longer the titans of determining a player's effectiveness, at least not as much as they used to be. WN8 can be easily padded in certain machines based on the machine's averages, and WN7 is simply a dinosaur that I doubt anyone really looks at anymore.

 

Is it possible that we need a new stat metric for measuring the performance of players? It's hard to say whether or not it's necessary at this stage of the game, but I feel like it has to be considered somewhat.

 

 

 

WN8 Is very solid metric to measure strength in a specific tank but you're right using a combined WN8 can be easily skewed by playing weaker tanks relatively well. That said, the argument would be made that this would have an inverse affect on winrate.

 

WN8 is a good metric but as they explicitly state in the wiki, it's just one of several metrics to consider along with winrate, average tier and average damage to name a few.



MSGTGlitterGlue #3 Posted 08 May 2019 - 12:40 AM

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WN9 anybody?

 

 


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RommelTanker #4 Posted 08 May 2019 - 01:35 AM

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View PostMSGTGlitterGlue, on 07 May 2019 - 04:40 PM, said:

WN9 anybody?

 

 

 

We can only hope thatPraetor77 (head of WNx project) works on WN9 soon.


Edited by RommelTanker, 08 May 2019 - 01:35 AM.

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I'm probably one of the only players in the game with over 5,500 WN8 in a Tier 1 tank. If that's not the most useless achievement ever I dunno what is.

HE does more damage than AP... in loopy land. 


Dan_Deerso #5 Posted 08 May 2019 - 02:03 AM

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WN9 has been dead for about five years now, and don't you think a rating that's actually applicable to Blitz would be more prudent?

fedsnbr #6 Posted 08 May 2019 - 02:08 AM

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One stat I have always thought would be useful is what I call Time Weighted Damage = sum of (every shot damage / (game time when the shot takes place in secs / 420)).  Essentially it rewards early damage and discounts those desperate "damage for the sake of damage" shots.

 

I know WG's official stats don't provide shot times, but I wonder if tools like wotbinspector could do this when they parse replay files.



___ez_e___ #7 Posted 08 May 2019 - 02:18 AM

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View PostMSGTGlitterGlue, on 07 May 2019 - 07:40 PM, said:

WN9 anybody?

 

 

 

Don’t worry bro .... I got this

 

WN9#=(WN7#+WN8#)/2

WN9 color=WN7 color + WN8 color

 

tada

 

 



ARandomGenieGuy #8 Posted 08 May 2019 - 03:52 AM

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I think we’re good with wn8, average damage, average tier and win rate. If it ain’t broken why fix it? Hell even with only average damage, average tier, spotting rate and win rate you can deduce the good from the rotten. 

_Cletus #9 Posted 08 May 2019 - 12:38 PM

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One stat that we should be seeing is blocked shots, or blocked damage.  When I asked sockrobber [the guy who runs blitzstars] about it he said that WG has the data but it's not part of the data they put out for public consumption.  But that is a stat I'd like to see, blocking shots is becoming a bigger part of my game.

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__Crusader6__ #10 Posted 08 May 2019 - 01:13 PM

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RommelTanker #11 Posted 08 May 2019 - 04:19 PM

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View Post_Cletus, on 08 May 2019 - 04:38 AM, said:

One stat that we should be seeing is blocked shots, or blocked damage.  When I asked sockrobber [the guy who runs blitzstars] about it he said that WG has the data but it's not part of the data they put out for public consumption.  But that is a stat I'd like to see, blocking shots is becoming a bigger part of my game.

 

WG doesn't want us seeing blocked damage especially in PC, to prevent the undoubted 5% gold ammo meme uprising that would occur. 

 

In other words, they don't want us seeing how much gold ammo is actually being fired and calling out WG for [edited]claims of 'gold isn't spammed'.


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I'm probably one of the only players in the game with over 5,500 WN8 in a Tier 1 tank. If that's not the most useless achievement ever I dunno what is.

HE does more damage than AP... in loopy land. 


AntoineDodson #12 Posted 08 May 2019 - 05:33 PM

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View Post_Cletus, on 08 May 2019 - 06:38 AM, said:

One stat that we should be seeing is blocked shots, or blocked damage.  When I asked sockrobber [the guy who runs blitzstars] about it he said that WG has the data but it's not part of the data they put out for public consumption.  But that is a stat I'd like to see, blocking shots is becoming a bigger part of my game.

 

I was just going to say this. If I can sit there sidescraping or be hull down and have all the dumbos shoot at me, those are shots that are possibly not hitting my teammates.

 

I definitely think this should be taken into consideration.


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Si1verBlood #13 Posted 08 May 2019 - 06:12 PM

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We never had a metric specifically for blitz...so yes definitely we do ''need'' one.

 

assissted dmg and bounced shots should definetly be a factor in the mesurement of one's skill


Edited by Si1verBlood, 08 May 2019 - 06:36 PM.


minitel_NA #14 Posted 08 May 2019 - 06:33 PM

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minitel_NA #15 Posted 08 May 2019 - 06:35 PM

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View PostSi1verBlood, on 08 May 2019 - 06:12 PM, said:

We never had a metric specifically for blitz...so yes definitely we do ''need'' one.

 

 

 

We had “honest winrate” at some point.

it didn’t last.

 

but yeah pretty much WN- have been obsolete for years and never been tailored to blitz (and especially not for supremacy). 

 

anyone is free to make his own metrics, the only thing is to make it accepted amongst a group to start bearing any significance. 

So go make ur own and see if it’s sticks.

 


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View PostSi1verBlood, on 08 May 2019 - 01:12 PM, said:

We never had a metric specifically for blitz...so yes definitely we do ''need'' one.

 

assissted dmg and bounced shots should definetly be a factor in the mesurement of one's skill

 

View Postminitel_NA, on 08 May 2019 - 01:35 PM, said:

 

 

 

We had “honest winrate” at some point.

it didn’t last.

 

but yeah pretty much WN- have been obsolete for years and never been tailored to blitz (and especially not for supremacy). 

 

anyone is free to make his own metrics, the only thing is to make it accepted amongst a group to start bearing any significance. 

So go make ur own and see if it’s sticks.

 

 

Face had Star1 before he went on a bender and came up with HWR.

 

I think Star1 was a great metric for Blitz - I'm not 100% on his 3% Ace bonus and -5% Platoon penalty, but it was generally better than Wn8 for Blitz.

 

However Sockrobber does continue to tweak his (Blitzstars) Wn8 formulae to make it more specific to Blitz.

  He also has the database, and fanbase to make it stick.

If more players where loaded into Blitzstars it would make for better results -- but generally only poor players are not loaded.

 


 
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Si1verBlood #17 Posted 08 May 2019 - 09:02 PM

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Shouldnt it be Bs8 if he is cyanging the formula?

View Post__Crusader6__, on 08 May 2019 - 03:08 PM, said:

 

 

Face had Star1 before he went on a bender and came up with HWR.

 

I think Star1 was a great metric for Blitz - I'm not 100% on his 3% Ace bonus and -5% Platoon penalty, but it was generally better than Wn8 for Blitz.

 

However Sockrobber does continue to tweak his (Blitzstars) Wn8 formulae to make it more specific to Blitz.

  He also has the database, and fanbase to make it stick.

If more players where loaded into Blitzstars it would make for better results -- but generally only poor players are not loaded.

 

 



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View PostSi1verBlood, on 08 May 2019 - 04:02 PM, said:

Shouldnt it be Bs8 if he is cyanging the formula?

 

 

Why? 

  WnX formulas have been designed off WoT.  They where never initially designed for Blitz. 

WoT is a very different game due to map size and number of players.  

 

To make it more relative to Blitz it needs tweaks.  Since the effects apply to everyone in the Blitzstars database it isn’t BS.  

   It’s simply a modified Wn8. 

 

 


 
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_Cletus #19 Posted 09 May 2019 - 01:27 PM

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WR and metrics should be simply eliminated.  The US server should be rolled into another one since this is simply a mobile app game meant for fun and guns.  WR and metrics makes this as competitive as the regular PC WoT for a lot of us, and this is supposed to a fast paced run and gun tank game not a game session that Rommel himself would smash his tablet on every other match because certain game mechanics are severely broken and demonstrated by such stats.

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