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ARandomGenieGuy #1 Posted 24 May 2019 - 08:34 PM

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So this will affect many games big time if the bill is approved. I invite you all to read the bill to get a better idea yourself. I will add this video of DriftOr which isn’t a world of tanks YouTuber but I think he tackles the subject very well and does a good job explaining the bill and it’s repercussions. This bill doesn’t aims just at loot boxes, but rather any content that is excluded from the game (DLCs for example) or any item that is “pay to win”. I’m excited if this bill gets approved since all sorts of loot boxes doesn’t matter if they are just for comestics  are going to be banned as well any content that you have to pay extra or any pay to win mechanic. As far as I know premium time from world of tanks is safe from this bill, however loot boxes and premium tanks might be affected, since premiums are considered “add-ons”  rather than content that everyone can access. It will be fun to see how Wg adapts to stop selling premium tanks and loot boxes (the later isn’t as impactful as the former since anyways all tanks from lootboxes are eventually sold for cash) 


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If it passes then WG has a simple option to make money.. pay to play. Pay a monthly subscription or else you can't play.

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So they stop selling those on the NA server and stop giving other goodie offers to compensate. They already are having a fight with Amazon and have indicated no problem in continuing to suck at making the game better.

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Posit1ve_ #5 Posted 24 May 2019 - 10:19 PM

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Uh...

 

This is bad...

 

 

One of the thing the bill bans is "pay to win" and under that definition includes "paying for faster progression". After googling the bill, it includes this text defining a pay-to-win microtransaction as "An add-on transaction to a interactive digital entertainment product that ... eases a user’s progression through content otherwise available within the game without the purchase of such transaction"

 

You know what fits that definition? Literally everything in Blitz.

 

Paying for faster progression is literally Blitz/WG's entire business model...

 

If this bill passes, restricting things under this definition we can kiss Blitz as we know it and other WG titles goodbye in the US. 

 

 


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minitel_NA #6 Posted 24 May 2019 - 10:27 PM

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View PostZebraUp, on 24 May 2019 - 09:41 PM, said:

If it passes then WG has a simple option to make money.. pay to play. Pay a monthly subscription or else you can't play.

 

WG was fine before the crates, I think they will be fine after.

its a problem that will resolve itself with time.

 

 

on the other hand what positive writes above is troubling.

its concerning pretty much the entire freemium model in the industry. 

Lotsa things will shake if that’s the case, but I don’t think the video game industry and lobby will let that pass without mentioning jobs and revenues.


Edited by minitel_NA, 24 May 2019 - 10:30 PM.

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Si1verBlood #7 Posted 24 May 2019 - 10:31 PM

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View PostPosit1ve_, on 24 May 2019 - 05:19 PM, said:

Uh...

 

This is bad...

 

 

One of the thing the bill bans is "pay to win" and under that definition includes "paying for faster progression". After googling the bill, it includes this text defining a pay-to-win microtransaction as "An add-on transaction to a interactive digital entertainment product that ... eases a user’s progression through content otherwise available within the game without the purchase of such transaction"

 

You know what fits that definition? Literally everything in Blitz.

 

Paying for faster progression is literally Blitz/WG's entire business model...

 

If this bill passes, restricting things under this definition we can kiss Blitz as we know it and other WG titles goodbye in the US. 

 

 

 

zi what you say it is true...then the bill will never pass...pay to progress faster is the business model for almost all multiplayer games(especially free ones).either it will get a different goal or those games will either go bankrupt or start charging insane amounts of money to play the game....whoever made this bill is either someone that doesnt understand what "free games" mean or someone who wants to see the world burn.



ARandomGenieGuy #8 Posted 24 May 2019 - 10:51 PM

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View PostPosit1ve_, on 24 May 2019 - 04:19 PM, said:

Uh...

 

This is bad...

 

 

One of the thing the bill bans is "pay to win" and under that definition includes "paying for faster progression". After googling the bill, it includes this text defining a pay-to-win microtransaction as"An add-on transaction to a interactive digital entertainment product that ... eases a user’s progression through content otherwise available within the game without the purchase of such transaction"

 

You know what fits that definition? Literally everything in Blitz.

 

Paying for faster progression is literally Blitz/WG's entire business model...

 

If this bill passes, restricting things under this definition we can kiss Blitz as we know it and other WG titles goodbye in the US. 

 

 

 

If they don’t adapt I wouldn’t mind them going out of business. Survival of the fittest. Although I was ok with the premium membership and premium tanks (pre-2017 where premiums where OK-good tanks not borderline OP) as a model of business. I think that the game will no longer be a free game or it will have a new scammy way of making money which is a detriment from the current model which is fine except for what I mentioned above. I’m more glad about the bill regarding other games that charge $60 for the game, it’s unfinished and still charge another $50 for DLCs that should be included in the game and they still sell micro transactions. Regarding the big picture Blitz has one of the beat model of business for being a free game except for some greedy sh!t they being pushed circa 2017 *cough* overpowered premiums and loot boxes *cough*

Edited by ARandomGenieGuy, 24 May 2019 - 11:00 PM.


Posit1ve_ #9 Posted 24 May 2019 - 11:00 PM

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View PostARandomGenieGuy, on 24 May 2019 - 05:51 PM, said:

 

If they don’t adapt I wouldn’t mind them going out of business. Survival of the fittest. Although I was ok with the premium membership and premium tanks (pre-2017 where premiums where OK-good tanks not borderline OP now they can rot in hell with Stalin) as a model of business.

 

I don't think you understand...

I'm willing to bet 80-90% of Blitz players aren't willing to pay for a subscription. If this bill passes as is, it means that the game dies. No matter how much you may hate WG selling OP premiums and crates, fact is, we have a vested interest in the game NOT dying. 

 

And also, this isn't just the death of Blitz, but free games in general. Basically, the bill invalidates the entire freemium model; so the only games that will really exist will be really basic mobile games that can sustain themselves on ad revenue, and AAA titles that are gonna cost like $100-$120 straight up (since they can't sell DLC content other than cosmetics as add-ons). This bill is bad for the consumer as it stands.

 

A ban simply on lootboxes I can understand, but this bill is bad for players, full stop.


Edited by Posit1ve_, 24 May 2019 - 11:02 PM.

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ARandomGenieGuy #10 Posted 24 May 2019 - 11:03 PM

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View Postminitel_NA, on 24 May 2019 - 04:27 PM, said:

 

WG was fine before the crates, I think they will be fine after.

its a problem that will resolve itself with time.

 

 

on the other hand what positive writes above is troubling.

its concerning pretty much the entire freemium model in the industry. 

Lotsa things will shake if that’s the case, but I don’t think the video game industry and lobby will let that pass without mentioning jobs and revenues.

 

That’s my opinion. America is very business based and on the UK recently the loot boxes were declared legal, they won’t consider it illegal.  I think that the game industry lobbyists will give a hard time to the bill. But who knows? It will shake the entire video game industry for sure. 

ARandomGenieGuy #11 Posted 24 May 2019 - 11:10 PM

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View PostSi1verBlood, on 24 May 2019 - 04:31 PM, said:

 

zi what you say it is true...then the bill will never pass...pay to progress faster is the business model for almost all multiplayer games(especially free ones).either it will get a different goal or those games will either go bankrupt or start charging insane amounts of money to play the game....whoever made this bill is either someone that doesnt understand what "free games" mean or someone who wants to see the world burn.

 

Good luck explaining a congressman in his 40s how the business model of free games or even video games in general work. Some free games don’t deserve this fate, but since many prey on children and make use of many anti consumer practices they had it coming. I’m talking about the big boys like EA, Activision and such that produce expensive games and yet they rip off their customer base with loot boxes and unfinished games later sold as DLCs later. They have been monetizing the games as if they were free to play even though those cost 60 bucks! IMO lootboxes only containing cosmetics is fine, same with the premium account based business model like Blitz. 

Edited by ARandomGenieGuy, 24 May 2019 - 11:13 PM.


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Loot boxes are dumb.

 

However, so are all other forms of gambling, superhero movies, cosmetic car accessories, motivational self-help seminars, and 93.6% of everything that happens in most major cities worldwide.

 

I wouldn't regulate a single one of them out of existence, because I can make my own idiotic choices, thank you very much... I don't need .gov to limit me to their pre-ascribed list of idiotic choices.



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View PostBlartch, on 24 May 2019 - 11:10 PM, said:

Loot boxes are dumb.

 

However, so are all other forms of gambling, superhero movies, cosmetic car accessories, motivational self-help seminars, and 93.6% of everything that happens in most major cities worldwide.

 

I wouldn't regulate a single one of them out of existence, because I can make my own idiotic choices, thank you very much... I don't need .gov to limit me to their pre-ascribed list of idiotic choices.

 

 

lootbox should be banned or severely restricted just as all gambling should. Especially gambling that doesn’t require one to travel 3 hours by car, but can be done anytime by anyone just in their hand.

 

for the free daily crate that flood me with agravatards and poopsters, well it’s totally useless but I still spend so much time tapping the button like a furious guinea pig in an ethically questionable lab test. I guess it’s those notifications in the menu that I hate. I also always open the news section and immediately close without reading, everytime.

 

But more importantly I’m trying to weigh whether blitz qualifies as a motivational self help seminar, or not. It certainly has many aspects of it. Please help me.


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Blartch #14 Posted 24 May 2019 - 11:28 PM

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Gambling is everywhere... just ask Cletus, he gambled with a redhead.  People play the stock market.  People drive on the DC beltway.  People vote for politicians that may or may not come up with stupid laws to further enslave them to the ruling class.  Nonetheless, people can choose to waste their time, money, and talents in any way they like, and will wind up doing so regardless of any legal impediment.

 

I played cabinet video games growing up... you think you got anywhere near the end of any game with just one quarter?

 

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ARandomGenieGuy #15 Posted 24 May 2019 - 11:29 PM

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View PostPosit1ve_, on 24 May 2019 - 05:00 PM, said:

 

I don't think you understand...

I'm willing to bet 80-90% of Blitz players aren't willing to pay for a subscription. If this bill passes as is, it means that the game dies. No matter how much you may hate WG selling OP premiums and crates, fact is, we have a vested interest in the game NOT dying. 

 

And also, this isn't just the death of Blitz, but free games in general. Basically, the bill invalidates the entire freemium model; so the only games that will really exist will be really basic mobile games that can sustain themselves on ad revenue, and AAA titles that are gonna cost like $100-$120 straight up (since they can't sell DLC content other than cosmetics as add-ons). This bill is bad for the consumer as it stands.

 

A ban simply on lootboxes I can understand, but this bill is bad for players, full stop.

 

You underestimate the ability of Wg to adapt. Most of the market will adapt. Some games like Fortnite (I dislike the game but I praise its business model) have fantastic business models. That’s a cross platform which is also a mobile game and it doesn’t relies on either both of the descriptions you gave to sustain itself.  As for mobile games concern I wouldn’t mind if 90% of them go away. I’m an old school gamer who was used to the games 2005-2014. Which were fantastic games and didn’t had as much monetization as games do nowadays. What the market will go move toward will probably be a subscription based model. Not that the game cost a subscription to play but rather extra services for the subscription. Some freemium mobile games already apply that model so you really are making a big deal out of a restructure. 

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View PostBlartch, on 24 May 2019 - 05:28 PM, said:

Gambling is everywhere... just ask Cletus, he gambled with a redhead.  People play the stock market.  People drive on the DC beltway.  People vote for politicians that may or may not come up with stupid laws to further enslave them to the ruling class.  Nonetheless, people can choose to waste their time, money, and talents in any way they like, and will wind up doing so regardless of any legal impediment.

 

I played cabinet video games growing up... you think you got anywhere near the end of any game with just one quarter?

 

The freedom may seem silly and insignificant (mostly because it is), but it's a freedom I'd prefer to not lose, thank you very much.

The thing is pal that casinos are restricted. They need a license. And kids are not allowed to enter a casino. Video games essentially do the same but they don’t need a license and a big portion of its audience are children. I appreciate your mercantilist point of view but some thing do need restriction, the fact that you assume that everyone is like you that make smart financial choices is a big mistake. I have heard of stories of men that lose everything in a night of bad luck at the casino. Now apply that to children. Not because you make good choices doesn’t mean the idiots surrounding you do the same. 



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And other people start their own thread about someone else’s thread instead of posting in that thread because...you know... they want their own thread about the exact same subject...

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Free to play games require the free players to offer competition for playing players. If it went to a subscription based service, the effect on the paying players will be nobody to play against.. I really wouldn't worry about the hype. It's not going to happen. 

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View PostARandomGenieGuy, on 24 May 2019 - 06:38 PM, said:

The thing is pal that casinos are restricted. They need a license. And kids are not allowed to enter a casino. Video games essentially do the same but they don’t need a license and a big portion of its audience are children. I appreciate your mercantilist point of view but some thing do need restriction, the fact that you assume that everyone is like you that make smart financial choices is a big mistake. I have heard of stories of men that lose everything in a night of bad luck at the casino. Now apply that to children. Not because you make good choices doesn’t mean the idiots surrounding you do the same. 

 

Who ever said I made good choices?  Aren't I still posting here and playing this game?

 

If a kid is wasting hundreds of dollars on toilet game transactions, the issue isn't the game... it's the parents that gave a kid that age access to a credit card, or didn't take the time to lock down its access, or trusted GoogleAmazAppleTwitFace with any personal or financial data whatsoever.

 

Phone games are a corner store selling Pokemon cards... pay to win, pay to collect, whatever... it'll all be out of vogue in less than a generation and forgotten, and the dumb laws will still be around growing stronger.



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