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Dark_Magician_Girl #1 Posted 23 June 2019 - 01:08 PM

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Welcome back to another update in the BEST series!  Today I will be going over the awesome category of tier 9 heavies.  Actually, my first BEST list ever was on this specific topic! 

 

I will provide my own thoughts on the "best" tier 9 heavies and I apologize in advance if your favorite tier 9 heavy is at the bottom of the list. This is purely my opinion, and you are free to put in your input.  Hope you enjoy! (See spoiler)

 

See how things have changed! Found below is the original list for this specific topic, written over a year ago!

 

http://forum.wotblitz.com/index.php?/topic/84086-a-challenger-approaches-post-update-41-best-tier-9-heavy/page__fromsearch__1

 

*Note: Reviews are done in the style of WoTLabs.  

 

What do you think is the best tier 9 heavy?  Let me know!

 

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Edited by Dark_Magician_Girl, 23 June 2019 - 01:11 PM.

I am now the #1 ranked E75 on the NA server!

 

 

 

 


Si1verBlood #2 Posted 23 June 2019 - 01:57 PM

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View PostDark_Magician_Girl, on 23 June 2019 - 08:08 AM, said:

so nothing really changed



RonaldusMaximus_ #3 Posted 23 June 2019 - 02:08 PM

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T95.. Yeah, I said it. 

_Cletus, on 02 July 2019 - 01:55 PM, said:

 

Step 1:  Don't open your mouth in an alley.


Blartch #4 Posted 23 June 2019 - 03:03 PM

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The WZ-111-11-11!1-1-11-!-4 was quite the snoozer, IMO.  The mobility didn't seem much to write home about, and good lord I hate Chinese heavy guns (except when they're on super-OP faketanks, and even then I hate them half the time).  IMO IS-8 is altogether better at its role (peek-a-boom low-slung anti-medium) - DPM, accuracy, pen, shoot-on-the-move, mobility are all better.  Heck the KPz.70 is better at its role... about the same DPM, about the same armor, minorly better single-shot punch, better aim time and mobility, and isn't outlandishly expensive af to run... Add to all that that the WZ, like the K-91, is totally made-the-F-up, so that's always a ding against.

 

I really don't know why you'd place the KPz. at the very bottom and the worse tank at the very top, but oh well... opinions & rumpchutes, as they say.

 

VK45.02B is my highest-winrate IX heavy (~70%), but of course I haven't played it for nearly 3 years.  It's the solitary outlier in the pack (all the other IX heavies hover around my modest average winrate, 61-66%).  There was a singluar tactic with it... sidecrape.  That's it.  Don't bother trying to do anything else... just scrape, scrape, and scrape again.  ABSS, to GlenGaryGlenRossify it... find anything, and hide the lower plate.  Give the big enemy guns something to shoot at and waste their shells, and 70% of the time your team cobbles enough gumption to tilt the win.  Yet since then, they've buffed its lower plate, IIRC... so maybe I need to buy it back and ruin my stats in it to re-assess... so I don't know if it'd still be the best.

 

 

What IS the best, then?  Hard to say... I like heaviums, and the options to more easily re-position to poor spots on the map as my half-attentive whims dictate.  M103 and IS-8 are still tops in that sense.  I play the KPz.70 most, simply because it's a coin-minting freemium.  But in truth, the T30, Foch, and Conway outclass all of these heavies... two hull-downers with either a 155mm boomwhallop or 120mm QF-laserbeam (If everyone's going to pen your hull anyway, why bother armoring it?), or a med-wrecking TD that'll still bounce tier 10's frontally.


Edited by Blartch, 23 June 2019 - 03:39 PM.


j0nn0 #5 Posted 23 June 2019 - 04:13 PM

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Kpfpz70 on the bottom? What? I know it isn't as advertized or expected, but it doesnt suck. 

 

The IS-8 is good in most medium instances and much of the rest ive not really cared to try and rank so i wont bother discussing them. 

 

*edit* VK45.02B is deserving of its low position. Hated that grind so much. It was made worse by the fact that i ground it before it got its turret top plate buff. 


Edited by j0nn0, 23 June 2019 - 04:20 PM.

I may have a few too many tanks. I think I was over 150 in garage by last count.


Befallen2 #6 Posted 23 June 2019 - 04:29 PM

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Love these posts. Thanks! :)

Melissa_Durat #7 Posted 23 June 2019 - 04:48 PM

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E75 is just a Tiger II on steroids.  

Zuke76 #8 Posted 23 June 2019 - 07:01 PM

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View Postj0nn0, on 23 June 2019 - 04:13 PM, said:

Kpfpz70 on the bottom? What? I know it isn't as advertized or expected, but it doesnt suck. 

 

The IS-8 is good in most medium instances and much of the rest ive not really cared to try and rank so i wont bother discussing them. 

 

*edit* VK45.02B is deserving of its low position. Hated that grind so much. It was made worse by the fact that i ground it before it got its turret top plate buff. 

Something had to be on the bottom and the kfpz was the best one for being there



Posit1ve_ #9 Posted 23 June 2019 - 07:03 PM

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For the most part, I'm inclined to agree with most of the things here; although I think the K-91 is ranked too highly. The cupolas are a huge liability for the turret armor, and for as much as I don't care about interclip, even I can't ignore how pathetically awful 3.33s for 310 alpha is. With DPM while unloading a mere 5500, it barely trades at enough of an advantage to justify having an autoloader. If anything, it's more of a liability, and this is coming from the guy who liked the T57 when it was first released.

 

I'd probably move Kpfz up too. It's not super fun to play, but statistically, Blartch is right; it's hard to justify ranking kpfz so low when 111 1-4 is so high (I like 111 1-4 too). Statistically, Kpfz only trades about 100 DPM, but gains 100 alpha in exchange, and it features a similarly strong turret, slightly better accuracy/aim time, and also has good mobility (although it doesn't quite get the speed limit of the 111 1-4). Kpfz is often compared to T30, but the mobility on the kpfz means it's more comparable to the 111 1-4's role on the battlefield. 

 

Although, for a tier with so many strong heavies, it is difficult to rank such strong tanks over one another (with the exception of clear stinkers like VK 45.02B and Conq), so I can't take too much issue. 


Edited by Posit1ve_, 23 June 2019 - 07:03 PM.

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Blartch #10 Posted 23 June 2019 - 07:38 PM

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You know, I had fond memories of the Conq, which I haven't played much but holds one of my few Raisin medals... so I rolled in it a few this afternoon.

 

Good lord, I can't even believe this and the Conway are in the same tier.  It's just appallingly handicapped.



Defaultz #11 Posted 23 June 2019 - 07:45 PM

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Finally, the Conqueror is starting to get the bad press it needs. The sooner people stop glorifying it as a "oNLy gOOd in GoOD hANds" tank, the sooner it gets the buff it deserves. No matter how you spin it, the conq is underwhelming right now.

Morphman11 #12 Posted 24 June 2019 - 02:05 AM

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When you rate the M103 above a Conqueror and still want people to take you seriously.

Dark_Magician_Girl #13 Posted 24 June 2019 - 02:35 AM

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View PostMorphman11, on 23 June 2019 - 09:05 PM, said:

When you rate the M103 above a Conqueror and still want people to take you seriously.

 

When your best work was driving the SP 1 C over 3 years ago and you still try and sound relevant to today's meta.


Edited by Dark_Magician_Girl, 24 June 2019 - 02:35 AM.

I am now the #1 ranked E75 on the NA server!

 

 

 

 


Player935 #14 Posted 24 June 2019 - 04:32 AM

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E75 i would shoot a weak point of the upper tier E100 that is hard to hit with ap it was fun to see it pen as the e100 stuggle 

__Frostbite #15 Posted 24 June 2019 - 07:17 AM

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Like Positive said earlier, in a tier with lots of strong heavies, its hard to really rate them accurately, so I do agree with you on the most part. 

 

However, here are my objections. I’d bring the Kpz and the 1-4 more to the middle, probably putting the Kpz into the Play for Fun and the 1-4 down one. TBH, the 1-4 is basically an IS-7 with all hull armor stripped off. You actually lose a degree of gun depression as well for the same dispersion and aim time, with the bloom being only 0.02 different. Its fast and works kinda well hulldown, but its basically an IS-8 with more alpha and a spuddier gun. 

 

I don’t really know enough about the K-91 to comment on it. I also haven’t played the M103, Conq, and E75, but I still agree with those positions. ST-1, I’d probably bring up as well. The ability to go hulldown OR sidescrape gives it the ability to play on any map well, doing the heavy business. Its only limitation is  the low top speed and the slightly bad gun handling. Otherwise, its a pretty darn solid heavy, able to compete with the E75.


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Bmj246 #16 Posted 24 June 2019 - 01:05 PM

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View Post_Ntwadumela, on 24 June 2019 - 07:17 AM, said:

Like Positive said earlier, in a tier with lots of strong heavies, its hard to really rate them accurately, so I do agree with you on the most part. 

 

However, here are my objections. I’d bring the Kpz and the 1-4 more to the middle, probably putting the Kpz into the Play for Fun and the 1-4 down one. TBH, the 1-4 is basically an IS-7 with all hull armor stripped off. You actually lose a degree of gun depression as well for the same dispersion and aim time, with the bloom being only 0.02 different. Its fast and works kinda well hulldown, but its basically an IS-8 with more alpha and a spuddier gun. 

 

I don’t really know enough about the K-91 to comment on it. I also haven’t played the M103, Conq, and E75, but I still agree with those positions. ST-1, I’d probably bring up as well. The ability to go hulldown OR sidescrape gives it the ability to play on any map well, doing the heavy business. Its only limitation is  the low top speed and the slightly bad gun handling. Otherwise, its a pretty darn solid heavy, able to compete with the E75.


U have 23006 battles and u don’t have the m103 conq and the e75?


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_Cletus #17 Posted 24 June 2019 - 01:39 PM

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Thanks DMG, your lists are fantastic!

 

I'd put the ST-1 is the purple division for sure.  


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Blartch #18 Posted 24 June 2019 - 04:34 PM

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SO I bought back the VK 45B, because why not.  Ran 5 battles, ALL tier 10 games, and still won 3 of 5.  Average damage was fairly pitiful, as expected (2000ish), but made myself a target and bounced much... at least enough to give green a chance to maneuver and win.

 

On the two losses, no tank in the game would have made a difference... your standard rigged challenge-MM 0-7 affairs over in two minutes.

 

Yeah, it's only five games... and it was five really, REALLY boring games... but it's in line with what I remembered.

 

I would actually rank this above the Conqueror, which has no practical armor, and a gun that just doesn't fire fast enough.  The VK's reload may be painful, but at least it has one redeeming feature in its armor... armor that is, in practice, better than the VK72 that follows it.



__Frostbite #19 Posted 24 June 2019 - 07:50 PM

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View PostBmj246, on 24 June 2019 - 05:05 AM, said:


U have 23006 battles and u don’t have the m103 conq and the e75?

 

yeah. i played a lot of medium and TD lines


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9_V0LT #20 Posted 25 June 2019 - 10:10 PM

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From everything I’ve seen, I have to agree on the E75. 

Ive always wanted one, but the grind terminates with the E100 and I’ve never had any interest in that thing. 


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