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Tolomeo357 #1 Posted 15 July 2019 - 07:33 PM

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Are all better than the mod.1 and type 59 in the current meta. They all have something that makes them standout. The CDX has speed, 34-3 has the high alpha, the 59 Patton has the gun depression. While the mod 1 and type 59 don't have any great attributes that allows them to compete in current meta.

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That is a false conclusion

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View PostTolomeo357, on 15 July 2019 - 07:33 PM, said:

Are all better than the mod.1 and type 59 in the current meta. They all have something that makes them standout. The CDX has speed, 34-3 has the high alpha, the 59 Patton has the gun depression. While the mod 1 and type 59 don't have any great attributes that allows them to compete in current meta.

 

Presumably you’re just ignoring things like “facts” and stuff? Both are good enough to be more than competitive. 



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Mod. 1 is clearly the best of all these.

 

-Type 59 needs better gun handling to really compete with the Mod 1 IMO.

- CDC, and T-34-3 do have niches, this puts them in a play for fun category if you ask me. I like them both, but they are not nearly as good as the Mod. 1.

-59 Patton is similar to super Pershing if you ask me. Yes good armor in certain situations, but still a pretty easy kill with a meh gun. I would rather any of the above thanks than this one.


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View Post__V_O_P__, on 15 July 2019 - 08:06 PM, said:

 

Presumably you’re just ignoring things like “facts” and stuff? Both are good enough to be more than competitive. 

They don't have anything that stands out going for them. They both have bad pen, average mobility and gun depression.



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View PostPlayer_5773117413, on 15 July 2019 - 10:27 PM, said:

There's a reason most folks don't use the 122mm option on the T44. Kinda hard to justify spending real money for a premium version of that combo...but that's just me

 

Well....

 

First unlike the T-44 which is just regular 217 pen with gold the T-34-3 has HEAT and does 270 so you can just spam the ever lovin' crap outta gold to make it useful...

Second I just aced it today~close to 4k damage and six kills with a win on top,frankly I love the thing and this from a guy who prefers a heavy tank :justwait:

 

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you also have a buttload of ammo 35 rounds of HEAT sooooo that too..


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View PostTolomeo357, on 15 July 2019 - 01:33 PM, said:

Are all better than the mod.1 and type 59 in the current meta. They all have something that makes them standout. The CDX has speed, 34-3 has the high alpha, the 59 Patton has the gun depression. While the mod 1 and type 59 don't have any great attributes that allows them to compete in current meta.


Just because something “stands out” doesn’t mean the tank is better. The Mod 1 is borderline OP and many would call it OP.


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View PostPlayer_5773117413, on 15 July 2019 - 04:27 PM, said:

There's a reason most folks don't use the 122mm option on the T44. Kinda hard to justify spending real money for a premium version of that combo...but that's just me


I must say the T-34-3 is MUCH better than the T-44 with the 122. Aim time is so awesome it makes it an excellent and fun peek-a-boomer. And as already said the 270 HEAT pen. It also has very workable gun depression. All these make it much better that the T-44-122. Its not world beater but it is a common misconception that it is the same as the T-44-122

 


 

 

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View Postgodzilla5599_warrior, on 15 July 2019 - 10:40 PM, said:

 

Well....

 

First unlike the T-44 which is just regular 217 pen with gold the T-34-3 has HEAT and does 270 so you can just spam the ever lovin' crap outta gold to make it useful...

Second I just aced it today~close to 4k damage and six kills with a win on top,frankly I love the thing and this from a guy who prefers a heavy tank :justwait:

 

ETA:

you also have a buttload of ammo 35 rounds of HEAT sooooo that too..

I've landed some big HE shots in theT-34-3 too. Yesterday I hit the side of a Panther ll for  just under 600 damage.



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View Postgodzilla5599_warrior, on 15 July 2019 - 05:40 PM, said:

 

Well....

 

First unlike the T-44 which is just regular 217 pen with gold the T-34-3 has HEAT and does 270 so you can just spam the ever lovin' crap outta gold to make it useful...

Second I just aced it today~close to 4k damage and six kills with a win on top,frankly I love the thing and this from a guy who prefers a heavy tank :justwait:

 

ETA:

you also have a buttload of ammo 35 rounds of HEAT sooooo that too..


sure. 35 rounds and due to the reload the most you would ever fire in a 7 min. game is approximately 25. 34-3 is a POS. 

 

As as for comparison of the tanks.....

 

First: Thanks for supporting the game. 

Second: Not sure where you are getting it that the three you mention are better than the other two. Surely it isn’t based on your performance in all of them? If it is, well, you’ve been lucky with the Patton and especially with the 34-3. You're performance is not reflective of the wr you have for most people who perform similarly thus luck has been a big factor. 

 

Were the  type 59 and the mod 1 your first premiums? A quick preview shows that despite your performance the focused 3 you have improved overall in the last 90 day and you haven’t played either the mod 1 or the 59 in that time period. 

 

 


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View PostTolomeo357, on 15 July 2019 - 09:39 PM, said:

They don't have anything that stands out going for them. They both have bad pen, average mobility and gun depression.

 

Tanks are a package. The average win rates, and damage and kill ratios show that these are doing better than “ok” relative to other tanks. 

 

The other thing to give consideration to is your perspective. Seems like your are pretty lucky in your T34-3 (WR way up but all other stats way average) in comparison to the Mod and 59, both of which you are a bit sucky at.  


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View PostTolomeo357, on 15 July 2019 - 01:33 PM, said:

Are all better than the mod.1 and type 59 in the current meta. They all have something that makes them standout. The CDX has speed, 34-3 has the high alpha, the 59 Patton has the gun depression. While the mod 1 and type 59 don't have any great attributes that allows them to compete in current meta.


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View Post__V_O_P__, on 16 July 2019 - 04:38 AM, said:

 

Tanks are a package. The average win rates, and damage and kill ratios show that these are doing better than “ok” relative to other tanks. 

 

The other thing to give consideration to is your perspective. Seems like your are pretty lucky in your T34-3 (WR way up but all other stats way average) in comparison to the Mod and 59, both of which you are a bit sucky at.  

I do good in the Rudy, the Chinese line including the tier 9 120, the 59 Patton, and a few other meds. What made my stats suck was playing so many games in the Mod.1 and the type 59, two tanks who are not good in the current meta.



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View PostTolomeo357, on 16 July 2019 - 07:59 AM, said:

I do good in the Rudy, the Chinese line including the tier 9 120, the 59 Patton, and a few other meds. What made my stats suck was playing so many games in the Mod.1 and the type 59, two tanks who are not good in the current meta.

Because you suck in them doesn't mean their "not good in current meta" it means you have no clue how to play Russian style mediums, you don't know how to abuse the front slopes or rock turrets and decent mobility. I've heard players claim the Type 59 and Mod.1 are op far more often then the 34-3, 59 Patton or CDX. Pros choose these tanks over any of the other tanks because they know how to effectively use the armor, and their DPM I should know. I have issues with a experienced player abusing the Mod.1's or 59's abilities and it annoys the [edited]out of me. I don't have problems with experienced players in CDX's 59 Patton's or 34-3's, because I know the weaknesses of each vehicle and they are more soft, (well 34-3 isn't soft) but that long reload and big alpha can be a hindrance when a brawl gets close and personal. Go up the Russian Medium line, if you can learn to play the T-44 you will be set when it comes to learning the other clones that differ slightly in game play. 


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I've got the Mod 1 and the T-34-3 and they both rate as 50%+ so I'm happy with them,both are a lot of fun.

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I still find the mod1 and type 59 to be absolutely solid in tier 8.

The mod1 in particular has some nasty armor, especially since everything firing at it is poor accuracy russian derp shells.

(It's also made of stalinium, so that helps)

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View PostBodyCount37, on 16 July 2019 - 03:16 PM, said:

Because you suck in them doesn't mean their "not good in current meta" it means you have no clue how to play Russian style mediums, you don't know how to abuse the front slopes or rock turrets and decent mobility. I've heard players claim the Type 59 and Mod.1 are op far more often then the 34-3, 59 Patton or CDX. Pros choose these tanks over any of the other tanks because they know how to effectively use the armor, and their DPM I should know. I have issues with a experienced player abusing the Mod.1's or 59's abilities and it annoys the [edited]out of me. I don't have problems with experienced players in CDX's 59 Patton's or 34-3's, because I know the weaknesses of each vehicle and they are more soft, (well 34-3 isn't soft) but that long reload and big alpha can be a hindrance when a brawl gets close and personal. Go up the Russian Medium line, if you can learn to play the T-44 you will be set when it comes to learning the other clones that differ slightly in game play. 

I stand by my point they aren't good tanks in the current meta, because they don't do anything great. With all the big guns and armor from heavies and TD's you need a med/light that excels at something to help your teams get wins. I do quite well in the AMX 13 57 despite it being a very difficult tank to play, but it has a unique attribute of having six shell clip with great speed. For me the sluggishness and lack of gun depression hurts the Mod. 1. When you play tier 9's in it, it struggles even more. With the 59 Patton I can use gun depression in uptier games to compete, in the CDX the speed and gun give a chance in tier 9.



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View PostTolomeo357, on 16 July 2019 - 10:46 AM, said:

I stand by my point they aren't good tanks in the current meta, because they don't do anything great. With all the big guns and armor from heavies and TD's you need a med/light that excels at something to help your teams get wins. I do quite well in the AMX 13 57 despite it being a very difficult tank to play, but it has a unique attribute of having six shell clip with great speed. For me the sluggishness and lack of gun depression hurts the Mod. 1. When you play tier 9's in it, it struggles even more. With the 59 Patton I can use gun depression in uptier games to compete, in the CDX the speed and gun give a chance in tier 9.

I stand by my point, the tank is competitive and at tier 9 I would rather be in a mod.1 than a 59 Patton, Number 1: The mod.1 has a smaller target profile and more squat turret. Sure 59 has better gun depression but look at the tumor on the turret, any decently accurate gun could hit that from over 200M and penetrate, experienced players will shot your hatch and pull behind cover before you can crest any ridge and fire in time before they are behind cover. Your turret is humongous and any TD will punch through your turret cheeks. Number 2: The gun is horrendous in tier 9, 180 mm of pen will struggle to penetrate everything and you will be resulting to firing HEAT all the time. The mod.1 has the same problem but has APCR as its Premium round which is the better of the two munitions. The Mod.1 has a better target profile, better armor profile. and is tied with the patton compared to guns except the patton having a faster reload. The Mod.1 when played right can bully heavies, I've never seen a 59 ever do that, in fact I hardly see 59-Pattons, yet I see Mod.1's every 3 games at tier 8. If your relying on paper stats to influence your opinion and only paper stats, your doing it wrong. The winrate of players in Mod.1's is substantially higher then those in the mod.1 at 57.67 compared to the 54.82, that is a large gap in overall average performance of players in Mod.1's then those in 59-Pattons.


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