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acrisis #21 Posted 30 July 2019 - 07:55 PM

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View Postwannabeunicum, on 30 July 2019 - 10:56 AM, said:

Winrate curves as I stated. Comparing mean overperformance per player within this range would be much better. Its clear wg doesnt use this format as shown by the Ferdinand nerf.


You clearly have an ide-fix based on the T61 and Ferdi ... 

 

I don’t think you have any chance of convincing WG or most people here that their metrics and system are as flawed as you state. WG has more data than anybody who plays the game. They can slice it, dice it, any way they feel they need to. Nothing says that the graphs they go by is the only thing they use. It is just a condensed and easy to understand visual representation that they publish for the player who wishes to read it. On more than one occasion has Ribble brought points forward that are outside of the scope of that set of graphs ... so I would’t be so quick to call it all bad / severely flawed / whatever and etc. 

 

Could it be tweaked? Possibly.

 

But don’t assume that this published set is the only thing they use. 


 

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__V_O_P__ #22 Posted 31 July 2019 - 12:34 AM

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View Postwannabeunicum, on 30 July 2019 - 07:25 PM, said:

Because it was uncontraverisally not OP at all and every player said dont nerf it but wg nerfed it because of their stats.

 

Well I’m convinced. 



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It is a hard task to complete. It is an ever evolving job and to might never get done. Every other new Tier 8 that comes along tears the wormhole separating Tier 9 and creates an imbalance, resulting in another round of adjustments to the tanks that again leaves a loose string somewhere. 

 

The end result of all this rebalancing, combined with the new equipment, consumables, skills, and provisions, results in nearly every tier getting shifted up in performance. Tier 8 now is comparable to the Tier 9 five years ago.


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View PostAbsolute_Sniper, on 30 July 2019 - 04:33 AM, said:

I’m not a math wizard but aren’t they balancing the tanks against other tanks and not how the players use them. They pick the best players because the best can make any tanks “work”. If a 65%er can do 3k average damage in an IS-7 but can only manage 2k in an IS-4, is it because of the tank?

Not saying this is why they balance the way they do but it makes sense if I look at it that way.


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TWOTIMES_2 #25 Posted 31 July 2019 - 02:09 AM

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View PostAbsolute_Sniper, on 30 July 2019 - 04:33 AM, said:

I’m not a math wizard but aren’t they balancing the tanks against other tanks and not how the players use them. They pick the best players because the best can make any tanks “work”. If a 65%er can do 3k average damage in an IS-7 but can only manage 2k in an IS-4, is it because of the tank?

Not saying this is why they balance the way they do but it makes sense if I look at it that way.


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^^^^ What he said, x2. :harp:

Dan_Deerso #27 Posted 31 July 2019 - 04:51 AM

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In my opinion, this balancing method is the "least bad" method out of a lot of other methods. If you could find me another method that would address as many balance concerns as this one, I'd be all for it. Until then, what's the purpose of posts like this?

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View PostDan_Deerso, on 31 July 2019 - 04:51 AM, said:

In my opinion, this balancing method is the "least bad" method out of a lot of other methods. If you could find me another method that would address as many balance concerns as this one, I'd be all for it. Until then, what's the purpose of posts like this?

 

^ this



___ez_e___ #29 Posted 31 July 2019 - 12:12 PM

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I think one caveat we have to remember is that not only a specific wr band, they also must have played 100 battles of that tank in 30 day period.  (I think I got it right)

 

That could potentially exclude a decent amount of players due to the 100 battle minimum.  

 

It’s clearly a biased towards those that play a particular tank a lot.  

 

These days I only have 1 tank out of 13 that I’ve played over 100 battles.  



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Didn’t you get roasted by Ribble earlier for this? Btw, A tier 8 tank that has higher HESH pen than mediums isn’t okay lol, 175 mm of pen is plenty. And I agree with you that more unicum would play a buffed/new tank but the exact opposite is also true. Just as more 65% players play the tank more, theoretically the 55% players would play the tank more canceling out the influx of 65% players


Edited by FallenCabbage3, 03 August 2019 - 06:21 PM.


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WG does just use the 55-65% players.  

   They are a main source of data - but they also look to see how others perform.  

 

The key key is the tank must have been played in 1% (or more) of battles. 

Often this leaves a lot of the lemons sitting rotting on the floor, and rate OPAF tanks hiding in a corner.  

 

Sure one can argue this isn’t the best method - often we see some knee jerk reactions on nerf’s due to the ‘better’ part of the 55-65% crowd playing early - but a ‘better’ method would reduce the number of players to make the probability of error greater than it is now.  

 

 


 

 
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View PostFallenCabbage3, on 03 August 2019 - 06:20 PM, said:

Didn’t you get roasted by Ribble earlier for this? Btw, A tier 8 tank that has higher HESH pen than mediums isn’t okay lol, 175 mm of pen is plenty. And I agree with you that more unicum would play a buffed/new tank but the exact opposite is also true. Just as more 65% players play the tank more, theoretically the 55% players would play the tank more canceling out the influx of 65% players

Someone didn't read my post. I didnt debate a single thing about the charioteer,second ribbles a joke with that post. I also complained about the vk nerf which was a tank I had but I barely even played and my stats in that tank are completely average for tier 8 if he really wants to cherry pick stats. The post isn't even about that anyway.


Edited by wannabeunicum, 03 August 2019 - 11:32 PM.


Purplet #33 Posted 04 August 2019 - 03:29 AM

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View Postwannabeunicum, on 03 August 2019 - 11:27 PM, said:

Someone didn't read my post. I didnt debate a single thing about the charioteer,second ribbles a joke with that post. I also complained about the vk nerf which was a tank I had but I barely even played and my stats in that tank are completely average for tier 8 if he really wants to cherry pick stats. The post isn't even about that anyway.


I’m sorry, most of my post was irrelevant to this topic but the last sentence is still valid for this, and I stand by it. I’ll be more careful in my readings :)







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