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Why does the M3 Medium (Lee) get so much hate?

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viper9191 #1 Posted 17 August 2019 - 11:20 AM


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I actually quite enjoyed the M3. To me it has decent maneuverability, a easily workable gun, and fairly trollish armor for many guns at it's tier and below. I recall getting my first Radley-Walters in it. Besides being something of a meme itself, why does the M3 Medium (Lee) get so much hate?

Zuke76 #2 Posted 17 August 2019 - 11:48 AM

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its solid

acrisis #3 Posted 17 August 2019 - 12:35 PM

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People dislike(d) playing it, due to the big cupola on top.


One could make it work with some smart positioning, but who knows what happened to it since the big neutering in low tiers. 


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Ericmopar #4 Posted 17 August 2019 - 03:01 PM

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I never had a big problem with the M3 Lee in Blitz, but in PC it really is total crap.

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AOT_Jaeger2 #5 Posted 17 August 2019 - 03:34 PM

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It isn’t that bad in Blitz, but it does live up to it’s vile reputation on PC. In Blitz the gun is actually pretty solid, it’s mostly the lack of a turret and large profile, plus the sponson makes shooting a bit awkward at times.

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TonnerreCadien #6 Posted 17 August 2019 - 05:42 PM

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I think the main issue is that you have to play it like a TD, and not a medium. That, and the fact that it's turretless make it a difficult tank to maneuver. I hate TDs, so I really, really, really, hated that tank. I have seen good players do amazing things with it, though.


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Player_5773117413 #7 Posted 17 August 2019 - 05:43 PM

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big, tall target

no turret

mediocre mobility

not too much armor


I don't know how it is now but those used to be the reasons for it being meh. DW2 in the OG days was IMO the worst Tier 4 to date.

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__Frostbite #8 Posted 17 August 2019 - 11:06 PM

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It's really good. Ran a 90% wr on it on my alt account.


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_Cletus #9 Posted 18 August 2019 - 02:10 AM

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I used to like it, but I haven't played it since the dark ages.

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Gavidoc01 #10 Posted 18 August 2019 - 08:38 PM

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They hate it because it didn’t play like the turreted tanks before it. They think same thing with bigger gun and are sorely disappointed as it is nothing like the previous tier tanks in the line and never was. 

9_V0LT #11 Posted 18 August 2019 - 08:58 PM

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It has a good gun. 

Shame it doesn’t have the camo to go with it. 

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j0nn0 #12 Posted 18 August 2019 - 09:15 PM

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Used to be good but I dunno about it since 5.5. I never bothered to check. Biggest gripes people have are its size and the lack of a turret. Since it plays like a corner hugging TD and lots of hard cover is incapable of protecting the large forehead, people tend to get pissed when they suck at positioning and maneuvering.

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Fu_Manchu_ #13 Posted 19 August 2019 - 03:03 PM

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My answer is only relevant to the pre-5.5 days but I think most of the hate comes from it being extremely noob-unfriendly. On the NA server, I'm sure a lot of players start with the US line because the tank they are most familiar with is the M4. That's what I did. That goes well until you hit tier IV and get this giant turretless monstrosity. All of a sudden you don't know why you have no turret and you have to adjust to that, all the while getting hit by every shot lobbed your way because the tank is so freaking huge. The M3 Lee almost made me quit the game.


But then I rerolled and played it again. I had improved a lot by that time and was better prepared to deal with the size and lack of turret. That allowed me to put it's DPM and mobility to good use and I had a respectable record in it.


Then 5.5 came along and it was nerfed into oblivion. Who knows what it's like now? I certainly don't.

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minitel_NA #14 Posted 19 August 2019 - 09:10 PM

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I remember knowing of a tank named M3.

Was it fun or not was up to each driver.

I thought it had ceased to exist a long time ago with the rest of them.

im surprised people still tsk about them.


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dindincf #15 Posted 21 August 2019 - 02:52 PM

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There is a large “forehead” on the tank that is easily gets easily penned when going hull down. This makes it particularly bad when fighting in hills where meds often fight. 



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