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Defaultz #1 Posted 18 August 2019 - 01:08 AM

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E4 has fallen from grace. While the 268, foch and 4005 run around with their heightened damage potency, the E4 has been left behind to take thousands of damage through its copula, while at the same time lurching back and forth awkwardly to bring its mediocre -6 degrees of gun depression down to bear. The hull movement is also utterly atrocious. Not only does it turn and reverse as if it doesn't, but the sides are paper thin and any amount of angling is an invitation for being penned through the sides. To me the worse part of the tank is the combination of slow reverse speed and the huge copula. Moving back and forth is not effective because you can't exactly move back, meanwhile the copula adds so much extra height, any curious enemy tank can aim in and find a shot.

 

To buff the E4, I'd suggest increasing the reverse speed to a normal -15, and also shortening the copula, while still keeping it as a weakspot. Large tall copula-style weakspots are outdated in 2019, as the M48 and E5 (both of which should also be buffed) have both lost their original copulas in exchange for something more akin to the Chieftain Mk6 and Foch's turret weakspots.

 

The E4 is honestly frustrating to play as it attempts to be versatile by having a little bit of both heavy and TD characteristics, but this falls short because a little bit of everything is a lot of nothing in Blitz.



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Lol tryhard

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View PostMatthew_Park, on 18 August 2019 - 01:44 AM, said:

Lol tryhard

 

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I agree that it is way behind the 268, foch and 4005. However, I used it for the recent tier 7 FV contest and averaged over 3000 average damage in it in well over 20 battles. It is and always has been a support tank. Support tanks don't rely on armor or camo nearly as much as traditional doom turtles or sniper TD's. Which is good because it doesn't have either. 

 

It has its own style that many refuse to learn and just write if off completely. If used as a proper support tank, the tank is still excellent IMO. But its not a tank for everybody. It has an excellent gun on a turret and is fairly mobile enough for a frontline support role. These three traits can make for a good tank if utilized right. Maybe i'll make a vid on it! Its my highest damage overall tank so I probably should...

 

btw.. the turret shave is a great idea! 


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I know it’s been said before, but apart from just being a meh tank, I don’t understand why it’s so unlike the T30. It really should be a gun depression TD.

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A TD with a turret, some armor and a punchy gun. Gotta be careful balancing it. Won't take much to break this thing. I think it's one of the few balanced tanks in X, but since it's not an op broken beast it must surely need buffed. Personally ,I think other tanks need taken down a peg before we start power creeping more vehicles. I'll admit the gun depression sucks considering the t30 is a ridge fighter from hell.

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View Post1_Cent, on 17 August 2019 - 10:02 PM, said:

 

Tryhard to post a photo?

I was just pokin fun at him for making his post lol :c I like defaultz and knew him for a longggg time. Not sure if he remembers me though



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View Post__V_O_P__, on 18 August 2019 - 08:30 AM, said:

I know it’s been said before, but apart from just being a meh tank, I don’t understand why it’s so unlike the T30. It really should be a gun depression TD.

At least you get two different but potent tanks at the end of that grind.

I feel like Eric is spot on with the call that it's a pure support tank, it's super comfortable when you don't fight the tank into a role its not built for


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T30 is still the gem of this line. E4 has far better firepower and is more capable overall, but not tier for tier

 

E4 has:

-  a mantle that covers less of the turret face

- less gun depression

- a more vulnerable copula

- a turret that cannot traverse all the way

- what I suspect to be less protection offered by the tracks


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View Poste___18989, on 18 August 2019 - 05:51 AM, said:

I agree that it is way behind the 268, foch and 4005. However, I used it for the recent tier 7 FV contest and averaged over 3000 average damage in it in well over 20 battles. It is and always has been a support tank. Support tanks don't rely on armor or camo nearly as much as traditional doom turtles or sniper TD's. Which is good because it doesn't have either. 

 

It has its own style that many refuse to learn and just write if off completely. If used as a proper support tank, the tank is still excellent IMO. But its not a tank for everybody. It has an excellent gun on a turret and is fairly mobile enough for a frontline support role. These three traits can make for a good tank if utilized right. Maybe i'll make a vid on it! Its my highest damage overall tank so I probably should...

 

btw.. the turret shave is a great idea! 

 

        I think when a tank can only be classified as a support vehicle, that signifies it's falling out. If it can only be played to help other tanks, that means its not a very good tank, because a vast number of tanks are balanced to be able to thrive with or without support. In the E4's case, it is most definitely a support vehicle. And so, it is completely irrelevant to drive, because instead of playing support you could play something like a Foch or a 268, which are tanks that will impact the game much more and can still support allies if needed. 


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Defaultz #11 Posted 18 August 2019 - 07:22 PM

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View PostMatthew_Park, on 18 August 2019 - 02:34 PM, said:

I was just pokin fun at him for making his post lol :c I like defaultz and knew him for a longggg time. Not sure if he remembers me though

 

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View PostDefaultz, on 18 August 2019 - 01:17 PM, said:

 

        I think when a tank can only be classified as a support vehicle, that signifies it's falling out. If it can only be played to help other tanks, that means its not a very good tank, because a vast number of tanks are balanced to be able to thrive with or without support. In the E4's case, it is most definitely a support vehicle. And so, it is completely irrelevant to drive, because instead of playing support you could play something like a Foch or a 268, which are tanks that will impact the game much more and can still support allies if needed. 


I agree but the Foch and 268 don't have nearly the diversity the E4 has in a supporting role. The turret on the E4 makes it crazy good at peek a booming. I play mine like a heavy and don't rely on the armor. Also, WrenchThrower281 makes a good point (below) that they do have to be careful balancing it. 

View PostWrenchThrower281, on 18 August 2019 - 08:17 AM, said:

A TD with a turret, some armor and a punchy gun. Gotta be careful balancing it. Won't take much to break this thing. I think it's one of the few balanced tanks in X, but since it's not an op broken beast it must surely need buffed. Personally ,I think other tanks need taken down a peg before we start power creeping more vehicles. I'll admit the gun depression sucks considering the t30 is a ridge fighter from hell.

 


 

 

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Eric, hope you can make a video on the E4.  The pen and the turret make this an interesting vehicle.  Would like to get your insights.

 

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What do you expect? That tank was nerfed few years ago. Since they nerfed the front turret armor of it, they should slightly increase its mobility. 

 

Edit: For those who literally do not know which part of E4 was nerfed, Wargaming nerfed E4’s turret armor, dispersion (accuracy), aim time, hull traverse speed, and reverse speed by minus 2.


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View Poste___18989, on 18 August 2019 - 09:26 PM, said:


I agree but the Foch and 268 don't have nearly the diversity the E4 has in a supporting role. The turret on the E4 makes it crazy good at peek a booming. I play mine like a heavy and don't rely on the armor. Also, WrenchThrower281 makes a good point (below) that they do have to be careful balancing it. 

 

 

This kinda makes the point though. Other heavies have other things going for them: armor; speed; DPM; Gun Depression. E4... not so much. 



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View Post__V_O_P__, on 18 August 2019 - 07:57 PM, said:

 

This kinda makes the point though. Other heavies have other things going for them: armor; speed; DPM; Gun Depression. E4... not so much. 


Other heavys with similar alpha have almost nothing at all on the E4. They really only have HP pool and armor. But often their armor is negated by their enormous size. 

 

These are the things the E4 has over the E100 and VK 72.01K... and this list is condensed. Check out tank compare. 

 

Dpm

penetration

Rate of fire 

shell velocity

Aim time

dispersion

Speed

camo

Hull armor

smaller size (this is crucial)

 

If we want to broaden it into categories the E4 has by far a better gun, better gun handling, better mobility and better camo. Those are 4 big wins. I honestly think the smaller HP pool is offset by its smaller size. Also, I might add that the armor is spotty on the E4. This is also a good thing. Wiggling will get you lots of bounces. It is just not a Maus. 

 

 


 

 

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Other heavys with similar alpha have almost nothing at all on the E4. They really only have HP pool and armor. But often their armor is negated by their enormous size. 

 

These are the things the E4 has over the E100 and VK 72.01K... and this list is condensed. Check out tank compare. 

 

Dpm

penetration

Rate of fire 

shell velocity

Aim time

dispersion

Speed

camo

Hull armor

smaller size (this is crucial)

 

If we want to broaden it into categories the E4 has by far a better gun, better gun handling, better mobility and better camo. Those are 4 big wins. I honestly think the smaller HP pool is offset by its smaller size. Also, I might add that the armor is spotty on the E4. This is also a good thing. Wiggling will get you lots of bounces. It is just not a Maus. 

 

 

 

A common misconception is that the E4 is a heavy hybrid. It is not. Heavy tanks have armor. The E4 is just slow. It has a tall, weak copula, paper sides, and HE-able rear. Therefore it is mainly a support tank, and that is what makes it completely useless. No tactics other than sitting back, will keep it alive. The tank is not any smaller than super heavies, because the protruding copula is obvious to anyone. Wiggling won't get you bounces at all, because the traverse and reverse together are abysmal. Sure it has a decent gun, but it's still inaccurate and prone to RNG, which is the worse thing that can afflict a tank. The rate of fire and any armor have no effect whatsoever because enemy tanks have all the time in the world to aim in and trade with you while you attempt to reverse into cover. The E4 is truly pathetic.



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Just drive the E3.. Its better.

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Wow.  How mightly it has fallen.   

 

Defaultz - Over a year ago I happened to tag a long for a few games (rng?) and we happened to be both on green.  

 

I do remember that you avg 4k dmg for the 3 games I tagged along, but we didn’t win a single battle.  

 

The way you were playing it back then, I would never have suspected result in a tank needs a buff post.   

 

 

How times have changed.  



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View Post___ez_e___, on 26 August 2019 - 04:45 PM, said:

Wow.  How mightly it has fallen.   

 

Defaultz - Over a year ago I happened to tag a long for a few games (rng?) and we happened to be both on green.  

 

I do remember that you avg 4k dmg for the 3 games I tagged along, but we didn’t win a single battle.  

 

The way you were playing it back then, I would never have suspected result in a tank needs a buff post.   

 

 

How times have changed.  

I still play it every couple days. A few good games in a bad tank won't save it, and neither will a few good players who play it. I think the E4 is due for a buff to make the tank more comfortable to play and hang with the other td's.







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