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[DestructSean]

Thanks as always DMG! We appreciate your time and effort presenting these guides.

[__Frostbite]

Move the Progetto and the M48 and I see a perfect list.

 

Edit: Maybe Leopard and 121 could switch as well.

Edited by __Frostbite, 11 October 2019 - 03:11 PM.

[On_The_Spectrum]

FV4202 is a beast in pubs in the right hands. Severely underrated tank....

[Immel_man]

I’m not sure the T22 is purple division let alone the best Russian medium. 

The 140 and T22 have the same penetration numbers for its standard ammunition, while the 140 does that with AP vs the T22’s APCR, give me AP Over APCR any day. Shell normalization is real, and way more of my grey shots go in when firing the D54TC. The dispersion difference is a negligible 3% worse for the 140 but you get better aim time and way better shell velocity (1500m/s vs 1000m/s). We don’t even need to compare the 62s gun right?

The T22 is the least maneuverable of the 3, has the worst terrain stats negating all the horse power advantage.


Let’s talk armor; stat wise all three share similar give and take stats the should make the play styles different without much distinctions, but that’s just not the case with any pike nose. Hull down poking is no longer the bread and butter role of the T22. Sure it brawls better the the tech tree versions.

All this said I think the unique qualities that make the 140 and 62 excel at their respective roles are sacrificed in the T22 to make it a jack of all trades not good at anything.

I’m a lunch pale blue collar tanker and the idea of an OP tank is a guy like me gets in it and excels. This coming from a guy who owns all 3, has 931 battles (T62), 831 battles (OBJ 140) and 194 battles in the T22, playing for average in all 3, Give me the OBJ 140 or T62 for any random pub battle and I will do more for my team than in a T22.
 

Edited by Immel_man, 11 October 2019 - 03:59 PM.

[__Frostbite]

Yeah this is kind of off-topic, but have you guys noticed that the T-22 doesn't seem to be as OP anymore? I haven't had a problem penning it anymore unless its completely hulldown. Maybe it's just that I've figured out where to aim, or its that my RNG has been good, but it seems like the tank has lost its magic, even in the hands of good players. It's still a great tank, arguably the best at Tier X, but I haven't seen it be that unstoppable monster.

[Immel_man]

I get carved up like I’m driving the Oscar Meyer Weiner mobile any time I have more than my turret exposed.

[_Cletus]

Good stuff DMG, I don't play enough tier X and I don't own any tier X mediums yet so I don't have opinions regarding the post, but I would say you don't get enough credit for this kind of public service.  Thank you!

[40_Percenter]

Progetto belongs in the Purple division.  That tank and its little brother the Standard B are supremely OP.

[ZebraUp]

__Frostbite, on 11 October 2019 - 10:48 AM, said:

Yeah this is kind of off-topic, but have you guys noticed that the T-22 doesn't seem to be as OP anymore? I haven't had a problem penning it anymore unless its completely hulldown. Maybe it's just that I've figured out where to aim, or its that my RNG has been good, but it seems like the tank has lost its magic, even in the hands of good players. It's still a great tank, arguably the best at Tier X, but I haven't seen it be that unstoppable monster.

 

i think it got Stealth Nerfed™

[dport02]

Thanks someone else finally agrees that the T-22 is OP. I say it and most people blow it off.

It makes my 140 and T62 seem worthless

[j_rod]

Immel_man, on 11 October 2019 - 09:37 AM, said:

I’m not sure the T22 is purple division let alone the best Russian medium. 

The 140 and T22 have the same penetration numbers for its standard ammunition, while the 140 does that with AP vs the T22’s APCR, give me AP Over APCR any day. Shell normalization is real, and way more of my grey shots go in when firing the D54TC. The dispersion difference is a negligible 3% worse for the 140 but you get better aim time and way better shell velocity (1500m/s vs 1000m/s). We don’t even need to compare the 62s gun right?

The T22 is the least maneuverable of the 3, has the worst terrain stats negating all the horse power advantage.


Let’s talk armor; stat wise all three share similar give and take stats the should make the play styles different without much distinctions, but that’s just not the case with any pike nose. Hull down poking is no longer the bread and butter role of the T22. Sure it brawls better the the tech tree versions.

All this said I think the unique qualities that make the 140 and 62 excel at their respective roles are sacrificed in the T22 to make it a jack of all trades not good at anything.

I’m a lunch pale blue collar tanker and the idea of an OP tank is a guy like me gets in it and excels. This coming from a guy who owns all 3, has 931 battles (T62), 831 battles (OBJ 140) and 194 battles in the T22, playing for average in all 3, Give me the OBJ 140 or T62 for any random pub battle and I will do more for my team than in a T22.
 

I think there are two kinds of OP - for average tankers and for unicums. 

 

OP for average tankers is a tank that has a very high floor while OP for a unicum is a tank with a very high ceiling. Sometimes a tank has both, but often they don’t as is the case with the T22. I agree, in the right hands the tank is crazy OP, but those hands aren’t mine for sure. 
 

Smasher, OBJ 252U and Lupus are average player-OP tanks. T22 isn’t. 

[_ArmoredGlassCannon]

Dark_Magician_Girl, on 11 October 2019 - 02:03 AM, said:

 

When the sheep don't listen to directions, you have to be willing to bring out the cattle prod.

 

Daaaaannngggg.

[_GraceToo]

Dark_Magician_Girl, on 10 October 2019 - 06:03 PM, said:

 

When the sheep don't listen to directions, you have to be willing to bring out the cattle prod.

 

Clearly only one of  us grew up around farms.  Sheep react to sheep dogs.  So you may want to adjust your approach a bit.

Great write up.  Thank you for these posts.  

[_zenki]

I wish every thread on this forum is as quality as this one, so the noob like me can learn something and get better!

 

(BTW, it hurts to know that someone thinks me as Salami)

[Confused_Teletubby]

Fishy___, on 10 October 2019 - 11:16 PM, said:

Leo in potato division

progetto not in stat padder

m48 in stat padder

 

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[minitel_NA]

Foreword

DMG batchat is not a med, but since you won’t make a comparison between all tier10 light tanks any time soon I would suggest you add this one to the OP ? That would be helpful.

 

about the review of tech tree tanks :

for once I can’t disagree, it all makes sense.

i like the E50m. Strong and flavored. 
i probably need to try harder at the stb1. Maybe I’ll add that to my TO do list.

about premiums

I’m Looking into buying some tier10 premium. I have been for a full year now.
Still Not enough choice for me to shell out anything close to the high prices that are asked.

probably some day soon they will start to democratize those tier10 prems to get more people involved.

Maybe at the winter fair or some sort of spend 1million free XP and get some reduced price. 
I m sure they will do something someday.

the other thing is boredom.

T22 doesn’t cut it or any soviet simili-clones. If I started the game today and wanted to inflate my ego I would buy it. 
but that’s clearly not addressing my needs. 

FV is just another FV and plays like an FV/centurion .
That makes the AMX 30b stand out, but what kind of a choice is this if there is just one ? Plus I already own the dracula/CDC/AMX30 proto, which i tend to consider like a line of its own, leading to the great AMX30B on top. But it feels like a repetition that hardly justify the cost.

 

At that cost I want originality. Like most premium tanks, things that can’t fit into any tech tree, or things that have something really crooked or kinky about them. 

 

so I’ll be waiting. Or gone.

[__V_O_P__]

Progetto has highest average damage of any Tier X vehicle and the highest win rate of any medium. Just saying.

[Dark_Magician_Girl]

__V_O_P__, on 12 October 2019 - 02:26 PM, said:

Progetto has highest average damage of any Tier X vehicle and the highest win rate of any medium. Just saying.

 

It has also been in the game less than a month, usually meaning only the most dedicated players or the wallet warriors, most of which whom are decent have the tank.

[BatchatBegins]

Honestly I've been loving the STB since I got it. As far as ranking my top five would be:

1. STB

2. Patton/ m60

3. E50M

4. T22

5. Leo

 

Honestly, depending on the day the ranking changes for me.

 

P.s. when are you gonna rejoin the Void server so we can harass Austin? hmu for that invite link bb.

[ShootinSabot]

Been away from the forums for a bit so I missed this.

I am sad to see the Leo ranked so low since I just bought it. I never realized the STB had gotten so good but you do see a-lot of them in Tournaments. 

Thanks DMG, good stuff as always and I appreciate the time you take to send this info to great unwashed.