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Fu_Manchu_ #1 Posted 16 October 2019 - 07:23 PM

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Those of you who know me well, know that I have preferred the T1 Heavy to the KV-1 for a long time. Even when they nerfed the T1's mobility in 5.5, I still preferred it.

 

Then they nerfed the side and rear armor of the KV-1 and yesterday they buffed the frontal armor on both the T1 and the BDR. Is the KV-1 now officially a lame duck tier V heavy?

 

If you like the slower, high alpha playstyle of the KV-1 and BDR, it seems like a no-brainer. The BDR has better alpha, pen and DPM. It's dispersion is a little worse but it has better aim time. It also has an extra degree of gun depression. I can't see any reason now why someone would choose to drive the KV-1 over the BDR...unless you really don't like how ugly the BDR is.

 

As long as they didn't add weight and slow it down (Blitzhangar doesn't say anything about its weight), I think I will still prefer the T1 but to me it's safe to say the KV-1 has really taken a mighty tumble.

 

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Mr_Qwertyxsad #2 Posted 16 October 2019 - 07:45 PM

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The KV-1 has honestly been a lame duck for a while.  It's only saving grace was it's amor profile making it ideal for sidescraping.  With the armor nerfed, I will have to check this but I think my fave tank the Angry Connor can pen it with APCR in sidescrape.  (Don't quote me on that point, I'll have to test it)

 

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I've played exactly one game in the KV-1 since it was nerfed, and none since the T1 and BDR were buffed, but I think it's dead.  It's probably more balanced for it's tier, but why would you want to drive it now?  It's still slow as balls and now it doesn't have the serious armor to make up for it.  I think, due to it's shape, it's probably still a better training vehicle for learning how to bounce shots and general heavy skills, but the awesomeness has been sucked out of it.

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I bought the T1 Heavy on a reroll today and yeah.
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Doilky #5 Posted 16 October 2019 - 09:48 PM

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I'm just stoked the Leopoard is now a little more like its old self. I never cared for the KV1, way too slow.  I always prefered the T1.  

Rou_Garou #6 Posted 16 October 2019 - 09:54 PM

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I dunno about leo being resurrected but T1 buff seems nice. Had the birthday for T1 and a leo had plenty problems penning me and he musta pumped 3 clips all over my body

 


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Fu_Manchu_ #7 Posted 16 October 2019 - 09:56 PM

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View PostDoilky, on 16 October 2019 - 02:48 PM, said:

I'm just stoked the Leopoard is now a little more like its old self. I never cared for the KV1, way too slow.  I always prefered the T1.  

 

I agree re: the T1. And yes, that is a nice boost for the Leo. When played properly, that extra 75 alpha per clip will be huge, especially with the improved dispersion.


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DestructSean #8 Posted 16 October 2019 - 10:12 PM

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I just bought my VK30.01H back. It’s armor buff makes it solid as long as you protect your lower plate. The turret and upper hull are 100 mm in the front, 80 mm on the sides. The 8 degrees of gun depression make it a tough pen for every heavy it faces except the ARL when you poke over a ridge. The gun is god-like for tier 5. It has good handling, greatish DPM (1500) and amazing....I say, amazing pen (150mm AP/194mm APCR). 

 

It doesn’t have the T1’s pizzazz and bully factor, but it can do some work and make some hay.



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View PostFu_Manchu_, on 16 October 2019 - 02:23 PM, said:

Those of you who know me well, know that I have preferred the T1 Heavy to the KV-1 for a long time. Even when they nerfed the T1's mobility in 5.5, I still preferred it.

 

Then they nerfed the side and rear armor of the KV-1 and yesterday they buffed the frontal armor on both the T1 and the BDR. Is the KV-1 now officially a lame duck tier V heavy?

 

If you like the slower, high alpha playstyle of the KV-1 and BDR, it seems like a no-brainer. The BDR has better alpha, pen and DPM. It's dispersion is a little worse but it has better aim time. It also has an extra degree of gun depression. I can't see any reason now why someone would choose to drive the KV-1 over the BDR...unless you really don't like how ugly the BDR is.

 

As long as they didn't add weight and slow it down (Blitzhangar doesn't say anything about its weight), I think I will still prefer the T1 but to me it's safe to say the KV-1 has really taken a mighty tumble.

 

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TO_Dominator #10 Posted 16 October 2019 - 10:29 PM

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The KV-1 got the side armor and rear armor lowered to 57mm back in 6.2. Did it get nerfed again? Haven't spotted a difference in armor profile on blitzhangar. 

 

The KV-1 became garbage after the 6.2 nerf. It now has the armor profile of a scavenger, only much, much slower. Its gun is nothing special either. So its just a slow, poorly armored, and poorly armed tank.  

 

 


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Wow this is sad.  The KV-1 used to be the main heavy to start learning this tank class.  

Now it’s just a footnote.    



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I can tell you that in the last 90 days, as far as people known to BlitzStars goes, the KV-1 was by far the most played of tier V heavies: about 250k battles played in it, which is more than all the other (tech tree) tier V heavies combined (about 80k battles each for the T1 and BDR, and a measly 24k for the Chuchy). Performance wise, the BDR is comfortably top, with KV-1 followed by T1 close behind. Churchy comfortably bringing up the rear.

 

Have to say I remember the KV-1 being a monstrosity, in a good way. Weird to think of it becoming noob fodder...


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View Post___ez_e___, on 16 October 2019 - 04:44 PM, said:

Wow this is sad.  The KV-1 used to be the main heavy to start learning this tank class.  

Now it’s just a footnote.    


Was going to say the same. It’s the tank I grew up on, how I learned the game.


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jahawa #14 Posted 17 October 2019 - 01:29 PM

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I haven’t played the KV-1 since the update, but have played 23 battles with 78%WR in last 90 days. Even after 5.5 it was still OP. 

 

Guess I will have to take it out and see how it goes. 



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View PostBlitzStats, on 16 October 2019 - 04:09 PM, said:

I can tell you that in the last 90 days, as far as people known to BlitzStars goes, the KV-1 was by far the most played of tier V heavies: about 250k battles played in it, which is more than all the other (tech tree) tier V heavies combined (about 80k battles each for the T1 and BDR, and a measly 24k for the Chuchy). Performance wise, the BDR is comfortably top, with KV-1 followed by T1 close behind. Churchy comfortably bringing up the rear.

 

Have to say I remember the KV-1 being a monstrosity, in a good way. Weird to think of it becoming noob fodder...

 

I'm not sure it has gone all the way to noob fodder. It still has good frontal armor. This buff to the T1 and BDR is more a case of power creep.

 

 

View Postjahawa, on 17 October 2019 - 06:29 AM, said:

I haven’t played the KV-1 since the update, but have played 23 battles with 78%WR in last 90 days. Even after 5.5 it was still OP. 

 

Guess I will have to take it out and see how it goes. 

 

The frontal armor and gun are still the same, so a good player should still be able to make it work. The nerf just means you have to worry a little more about your sides and rear. The T1 and BDR buff means that opposing tanks will be tougher to kill.


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View PostFu_Manchu_, on 17 October 2019 - 08:34 AM, said:

 

I'm not sure it has gone all the way to noob fodder. It still has good frontal armor. This buff to the T1 and BDR is more a case of power creep.

 

 

 

The frontal armor and gun are still the same, so a good player should still be able to make it work. The nerf just means you have to worry a little more about your sides and rear. The T1 and BDR buff means that opposing tanks will be tougher to kill.

 

If it's not going to have armor it needs a mobility buff.  At least a traverse buff so you can use the armor it still has.


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Thank goodness, its not just my delusional hopes that the Leo seemed a bit more like its old self lately?  But it's still short 1 clip, from before 5.5?  There are so many updates, I give up keeping track.  I can't even remember what the update was when I started...all I remember is that it was before 3.hate.

 


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View Postcrpl_hicks, on 17 October 2019 - 11:02 AM, said:

Thank goodness, its not just my delusional hopes that the Leo seemed a bit more like its old self lately?  But it's still short 1 clip, from before 5.5?  There are so many updates, I give up keeping track.  I can't even remember what the update was when I started...all I remember is that it was before 3.hate.

 

The old Leo had 4 bursts in the magazine, but I can't remember if those were 3 or 4 shell bursts.   All I know is that yesterday I dumped my entire magazine into the side of an M4 and did 298 dmg.  That felt close to the Leo I remember, usually doing 300+ with a full magazine.   

 

I really missed the Leo playstyle.  The closest thing to it is the MT25, and while I love the MT25, it's just not quite the same manic rush that the Leo is. 


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View PostDoilky, on 17 October 2019 - 09:22 AM, said:

The old Leo had 4 bursts in the magazine, but I can't remember if those were 3 or 4 shell bursts.   All I know is that yesterday I dumped my entire magazine into the side of an M4 and did 298 dmg.  That felt close to the Leo I remember, usually doing 300+ with a full magazine.   

 

I really missed the Leo playstyle.  The closest thing to it is the MT25, and while I love the MT25, it's just not quite the same manic rush that the Leo is. 

 

It used to be 4x4x25 for a 400 clip potential. That was crazy OP in the hands of someone who knew how to play the tank properly. Update 5.5 dropped that down to 3x3x25 for a 225 clip potential as well as nerfing the mobility. I think the current 3x4x25 for a 300 clip potential is a nice compromise between the pre- and post-5.5 levels. It won't be OP like it used to be but it will be quite strong in the hands of a good driver.

 

WG, now please give the ELC bis back the mobility you took away in 5.5.


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View PostFu_Manchu_, on 17 October 2019 - 11:33 AM, said:

 

It used to be 4x4x25 for a 400 clip potential. That was crazy OP in the hands of someone who knew how to play the tank properly. Update 5.5 dropped that down to 3x3x25 for a 225 clip potential as well as nerfing the mobility. I think the current 3x4x25 for a 300 clip potential is a nice compromise between the pre- and post-5.5 levels. It won't be OP like it used to be but it will be quite strong in the hands of a good driver.

 

WG, now please give the ELC bis back the mobility you took away in 5.5.

 

 

It's funny, I only got good playing the ELC after the nerf.  I can't imagine it with even better mobility than it currently has. :justwait:






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