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Poll: does WG need to fix MM? (34 members have cast votes)

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Do teams need to be actually balanced to lessen the amount of one sided slaughters?

  1. Strongly agree (8 votes [23.53%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 23.53%

  2. Agree (8 votes [23.53%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 23.53%

  3. Disagree (2 votes [5.88%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.88%

  4. Strongly disagree (13 votes [38.24%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 38.24%

  5. Could care less (3 votes [8.82%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 8.82%

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bob_world #21 Posted 05 November 2019 - 04:44 AM

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you could do stupid stuff and have fun with it back with +2-2.  From what i have seen in this whole post is some people are against some things and most others just don't want a change.  carry harder some say, to that i say no person in existence can carry something for extended periods of time without a slight slip ESPECIALLY when it comes to complex items.  so why don't those who believe in carrying harder to carry a pencil for 15 minutes, arms extended out in front of you, without wavering.  PEOPLE WERE FINE WITH MM THREE YEARS AGO, SAME THING WITH TODAY, if you think a small change will help the game then speak up!.  I made this forum page to hear the communities suggestions not my own, no one person should decide for others.

rosgrim #22 Posted 05 November 2019 - 05:41 AM

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View Post_Weeping_Angel_, on 05 November 2019 - 01:42 AM, said:

You think todays MM is not better than 3 years ago when a Comet could face 1 tier 8 and 5 tier 9s?  You think there is no improvement than when games could be set up 5 tds and 2 heavies against a bunch of lights?  You think todays MM is no better than when one team could have 3 top tier tanks and the other have 5?  He doesn't want to improve the MM. He is here to troll. 

 

WG cannot control players.  That is the issue.  The system right now rewards good play and players.  Over time they will win more games than bad players.  


this.

MM is fine

If a decent player like me with 70k battle ( do you know what means change your stats whit such a huge number of battles ?) can constantly improve all the stats in last 2 years (and I know a lot of player doing that), it means that nothing is wrong with the MM.

On contrary.

You need just to be decent.

If you are better than decent it will reward you even more.

Sure everyone get negative days or horrible situations (the "classic" your team full of below 45% and may be a platoon of 40% vs all more than 50% and a platoon of unicum), but in the long term it works pretty well. 

Also when you get a bad team if you are able to win it will be very satisfying; more than if you would get 1 % more on your WR.  

May be something better (but in terms of game quality in high tiers not in terms of WR if you are thinking at that) could happen if WOTB had a different high tiers premium tank strategy, but forget about that since it is clear that it is not going to change.


Edited by rosgrim, 05 November 2019 - 05:44 AM.


acrisis #23 Posted 05 November 2019 - 10:30 AM

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View Postbob_world, on 04 November 2019 - 04:05 PM, said:

well there are many options on how teams could be balanced, remove the forced toon vs toon could be a requirement, add some way to rank players skill with individual numbers (possibly like ratings) and try to make each teams rating more even than just randomly throw teams together with the chance to put 6 unicums on one and almost nothing that good on the other.

 

Removing the green toon red toon MM ruling will make games more balanced? 

 

... sure!  

You really did not think that one through did you? 
That rule was added because complaints of the opposite, that teams with an organized good platoon had an advantage over seven randoms. 

 

View Postbob_world, on 04 November 2019 - 04:25 PM, said:

im just trying to get people to speak up about the problem; i would play more ratings if people were not total jerks about stuff.  ratings is cancer because of how the players treat others.  like you, picking on people when you dont see a reason behind it.  Why do you think NA server is the smallest, because no one stays!  how can they get people to stay? have better teams maybe?  ask those who left the game why they did.  typical seal clubber.

 

Please don’t use the word cancer in relation to the game and don’t negatively label other people. 

 

 NA having been one of the two smallest servers can easily be related to half a dozen to dozen other reasons, besides MM. 

 


 

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bob_world #24 Posted 07 November 2019 - 04:37 AM

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View Postacrisis, on 05 November 2019 - 10:30 AM, said:

 

Removing the green toon red toon MM ruling will make games more balanced? 

 

... sure!  

You really did not think that one through did you? 
That rule was added because complaints of the opposite, that teams with an organized good platoon had an advantage over seven randoms. 

 

 

Please don’t use the word cancer in relation to the game and don’t negatively label other people. 

 

 NA having been one of the two smallest servers can easily be related to half a dozen to dozen other reasons, besides MM. 

 

you every think they added it to make specifically random battles better?  it did, but now they are just as bad as back then.  how may people do you see thankful to matchmaker? and how many hate it?



BorisBaddenov #25 Posted 08 November 2019 - 02:23 AM

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View Postbob_world, on 06 November 2019 - 09:37 PM, said:

you every think they added it to make specifically random battles better?  it did, but now they are just as bad as back then.  how may people do you see thankful to matchmaker? and how many hate it?

Well, according to the results of YOUR OWN POLL only 20% agree with you. 

 

 

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__V_O_P__ #26 Posted 11 November 2019 - 01:53 AM

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View Postbob_world, on 07 November 2019 - 04:37 AM, said:

you every think they added it to make specifically random battles better?  it did, but now they are just as bad as back then.  how may people do you see thankful to matchmaker? and how many hate it?


people blame MM because then they aren’t to blame. 
 

but people is the biggest problem. 



Theroadrunner36 #27 Posted 13 November 2019 - 06:41 AM

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View Postbob_world, on 04 November 2019 - 12:18 PM, said:

i would not call those actual balances, they just made the game playable for bad players, so they don't rage that they cant do anything.  they don't fix the system itself


They could make it so each team gets the same number of vehicle types....so done with the enemy team getting fv 183s, and my team getting an extra heavy in RBs and having the TD completely farm my teammates and me when we mess up. That would really improve MM and add for more fair games.



__V_O_P__ #28 Posted 14 November 2019 - 08:53 PM

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View PostTheroadrunner36, on 13 November 2019 - 06:41 AM, said:


They could make it so each team gets the same number of vehicle types....so done with the enemy team getting fv 183s, and my team getting an extra heavy in RBs and having the TD completely farm my teammates and me when we mess up. That would really improve MM and add for more fair games.


and your queue time would be astronomical. 



CommanderSean_2014 #29 Posted 30 April 2020 - 08:55 PM

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The problem we are having is the sheer amount of incompetent players flooding the server.MM is fine as it is.

Just too many ****** players &afks.

Probably cuz of the simplified tech trees & bot in low tiers so that new players barely learn anything and they get to tier 5 and up and get deleted.


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iplayminecraftps4 #30 Posted 04 May 2020 - 04:31 PM

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View Postboris55555, on 04 November 2019 - 03:24 PM, said:

Meh, but what about the poor bastards that get me.  Team green is constantly cursed. Like the Washington generals.

Um everyone is on team green, the team you play on is green, your enemies are red, and so are you to them



trogvision #31 Posted 14 May 2020 - 09:37 PM

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MM is fine where it is. It's not MM's fault that some idiot in an IS-3 calls the bunker side of rockfield and gets his team sniped into oblivion when they follow him.

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80DeuceJeff #32 Posted 24 May 2020 - 04:51 PM

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I do have some issues with mm, I have 11k battles and %49.9 wr, not great I admit, most of that wr is because it took me a long time to learn how to play, over last 3 months I have a %60 wr from blitzstars, I play tourneys all the time, I just had a match and I had 3 players on my team with less than 100 battles in total, we were in tier 6, the other team had 3 players with more than 15k battles and %55 wr, the other couple on my team had around %45 wr, not sure how that is even close on mm being efficient. I have noticed this occurring more and more as new players come into the game and buy up cheap high tier tanks, the break their new player status by platooning with a good player, then they get shot into the higher player levels and have no business being there. I would like to see some sort of balance occur that takes number of battles as well as wr and types of tanks into account for setting teams. It seems to be worse since we have had such an influx of new players since the pandemic occurred. 

_King_Alpha_ #33 Posted 22 June 2020 - 09:46 PM

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View Postbob_world, on 04 November 2019 - 08:43 PM, said:

no one ever said there would be the same amount of unicums on each team, they would just possibly put worse players on the team with more unicums.

 

Hello,

 

That is what 'seems to happen', and does happen.   I'm a newer player, but a super unicum.  When I go solo (no toon), I typically (about 85% of the time) get placed with terrible players (just the truth)
, who have around a 40 - 50% WR.  I've told WG via support that that is indeed what happens.  They claim that's not how the algorithm works, that it's solely based on 'tank weights' and such.  I don't buy that answer even if it's told to me by 100,000 mods/designers of the MM system.  They set that up so you lose more, and figure WOAH, I might just need a PREMIUM (hopefully OP tank, that hopefully costs as much money as possible!).  I would never think or assume such a thing, since I use 100% skill.  But, lesser mortals would assume they need a better/prem tank.  ;)







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