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Ferdinand tank: horrid POS or decent TD?

  1. OP tank, needs nerf (0 votes [0.00%])

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  2. pretty powerful in today's meta (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. decently powerful (1 vote [12.50%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.50%

  4. balanced (0 votes [0.00%])

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  5. underbaked (1 vote [12.50%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.50%

  6. needs slight buffs to be any good in todays meta (3 votes [37.50%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 37.50%

  7. needs major buffs to do anything (2 votes [25.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  8. needs removed (1 vote [12.50%] - View)

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Major_Sweatpants #1 Posted 13 March 2020 - 01:12 PM

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so i researched the ferdinand tank a while ago, expecting decent armor and a heavy hitting gun- its been bad for my stats ever since. ive got a small history plaguerised copy-pasted from Wikipedia.

Porsche GmbH had manufactured about 100 chassis for their unsuccessful proposal for the Tiger tank, the "VK 4501 (P) "Porsche Tiger", in the Nibelungenwerk factory in Sankt ValentinAustria. Both the successful Henschel proposal and the Porsche design used the same Krupp-designed turret—the Henschel design had its turret more-or-less centrally located on its hull, while the Porsche design placed the turret much closer to the front of the superstructure. Since the competing Henschel Tiger design was chosen for production, the Porsche chassis were no longer required for the Tiger tank project. It was therefore decided that the Porsche chassis were to be used as the basis of a new heavy panzerjägerFerdinand, mounting Krupp's newly developed 88 mm (3.5 in) 8.8 cm Pak 43">Panzerjägerkanone 43/2 (PaK 43) anti-tank gun. This precise long-range weapon was intended to destroy enemy tanks before they came within their own range of effective fire.
The Ferdinand was intended to supplant previous light panzerjägers, such as the Marder II and Marder III, in the offensive role. A similar gun was used in the lightly armored ,Hornisse (later known as Nashorn) tank destroyer, built at the same time.

it was also made with the tiger (P) hull, so it has the turds engine with even more of a load on it.... you can see what may happen. i honesly think its underpowered in todays meta, and needs either DPM buffs or Armor buffs to even try to be competitive.


Edited by Major_Sweatpants, 13 March 2020 - 01:15 PM.


tedg5 #2 Posted 13 March 2020 - 02:00 PM

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Tanks like this aren’t “horrid”, while not good I sure see them perform in the right hands. Usually just a few tweaks and they can be made respectable. :bajan:

Edited by tedg5, 13 March 2020 - 02:00 PM.


cheesehead247365 #3 Posted 13 March 2020 - 02:54 PM

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I appreciate the time you took to research the actual tank, but that has no relavance to this video game tank.  the JPanther II is way better. 

Major_Sweatpants #4 Posted 13 March 2020 - 02:57 PM

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View Postcheesehead247365, on 13 March 2020 - 09:54 AM, said:

I appreciate the time you took to research the actual tank, but that has no relavance to this video game tank.  the JPanther II is way better. 

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im trying to ask how the community thinks of it. im not trying to give you one of those "historical unicums' guide"s



CK_GoldenNuggets #5 Posted 13 March 2020 - 06:10 PM

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The funny thing about these "out of line" tech tree tanks is that you dont have to play them.
The same can be said for the Kv13, the gun carrier and previously the kv2,
No one expects these tanks to perform well. They just exist to give you a slightly different play style to a similar tank.

Gun carrier was an armorless at8
Kv13 was a slower but well armored T43
The Kv2 is a durp gun version of a T150
The Ferdi is just a slower well armored JP2.

The problem in all these cases is that because the out of line tanks were either balanced poorly to begin with or got power krept and never got buffed because no one cared about them... they ended up getting removed (collectors tanks) or forgotten about. 
In todays meta, with all these super OP premiums slowly forcing WG to buff all the tanks around them just to be able to survive, the game is being squished together where it becomes harder to balance the tiers in such a way that tanks are competitive to their own tier but not too overpowered compared to the tier below. I think older un buffed tanks like the T32 and Ferdi do this very well. They are not good by any standard, but they dont pose massive challenges to tier 7s. They have their strengths but other tanks exist that are just much better versions, like the JP2 and T34.

We need to keep some of these "sub par" tanks in the game to keep the overall average of vehicles from getting too high.
If you compile all the tanks in the game and wanted to make a new tank that was "average" and saw that the average tier 8 for example, had 50kph, 225 base pen and 120mm of frontal armour you wouldnt be able to tell if thats supposed to be a med, heavy or TD. Its a little silly. So to have defining tanks that keep us grounded is actually a good thing. We dont want to keep buffing all the tanks up to the same level because it makes it less interesting and seperates the tier divide further.

If you are really unhappy with a certain tank, skip it. Work up the free exp and ignore it, or just grind through as quick as you can and throw it away. 
It does more harm than good to just continually buff every tank we think is unbalanced because it stagnates the game and leaves presidency for newer, even more powerful premiums to be made and sold and then we will all be in the same boat again, complaining about how our standard tanks dont have a chance in hell in comparing to the new WzKV auf E100 OP machine.
 

Edited by CK_GoldenNuggets, 13 March 2020 - 06:12 PM.

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