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BorisBaddenov #21 Posted 26 March 2020 - 04:08 PM

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View Postj_rod, on 26 March 2020 - 09:05 AM, said:

Tourneys aside, I didn't see much difference in pub matches last night. Don't get me wrong, I think the buff was overkill, but my hope is that they do the same thing to the rest of the tanks next and spread things out. In other words, I hope they're using these buffs as a way to raise the bar for all the rest of the tanks. 

 

In game news stated that all other Tiers will also have their heavy's buffed to have more HP.

 

 

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j_rod #22 Posted 26 March 2020 - 04:24 PM

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View PostBorisBaddenov, on 26 March 2020 - 10:08 AM, said:

 

In game news stated that all other Tiers will also have their heavy's buffed to have more HP.

 

 

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Saw that. Curious to see what they do with the rest of the tank classes. 

 

I think the reason they started with the HP buff is that it's the easiest to change holistically without affecting other stats. Think about it - if they changed every tank's pen, that affects so many other variables. If they changed armor, speed, etc it's the same thing. By starting with HP, it's an easy stat to change across the board that doesn't adversely impact how other mechanics work together, while still raising the overall bar. 


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Popcann #23 Posted 26 March 2020 - 04:25 PM

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Seems like the t92/Sheridan has caused a massive restructure to the game, as they buff Tier10 heavies, they then have to go and buff Tier9 heavies so they can compete with the tier10, and so on down the tiers. Then there gonna have to do somethin to the meds so there able to handle the heavies.

 

just how it seems to me, could be way off.



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This is just the latest in a lengthy and ongoing series of changes that were not wanted, needed, or helpful.  I guess 2020 needed an update within the first three months to upset some of the more established players, as in previous years.  Boosted HP on Tier X heavies is just what they needed to sell Warchests to the newcomers.  Mom is probably happy to oblige to get little Timmy to shut up and leave her alone in quarantine conditions.



Guderian5266 #25 Posted 26 March 2020 - 05:51 PM

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So they didnt buff tier IX at all yet, right? Is anyone bothering to run IX any more, since you get pulled into X battles a lot? Or are folks in most pub matches clueless about it, so they find out the hard way by running IX?

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View PostGuderian5266, on 26 March 2020 - 10:51 AM, said:

So they didnt buff tier IX at all yet, right? Is anyone bothering to run IX any more, since you get pulled into X battles a lot? Or are folks in most pub matches clueless about it, so they find out the hard way by running IX?

Right, no tier 9 heavy armor buffs yet.  but its coming apparently. 



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View PostGuderian5266, on 26 March 2020 - 11:51 AM, said:

So they didnt buff tier IX at all yet, right? Is anyone bothering to run IX any more, since you get pulled into X battles a lot? Or are folks in most pub matches clueless about it, so they find out the hard way by running IX?

 

Limited sample size, but I saw  no issues running tier 9 meds in pub matches or ratings yesterday.

 

I get DMG's point about tournaments given that you can choose your roster, but I don't see this impacting pub games like everyone is talking about. 


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View PostBorisBaddenov, on 26 March 2020 - 04:02 PM, said:

 

This is just further proof that WG has absolutely no clue how the changes they make impact the game.   There is someone at WG, locked away in a tower - their job is to decide what changes to make to the game.  But not only do they not play the game at all - they don't even begin to understand the impact on game play their changes will make.

 

I really struggle at how far out of touch that Wizard in the Tower really is.

 

 

 

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They honestly buffed these T10 heavies HP to offset what the missiles were doing.  ITs the same with the T1 Heavy and BDR buffs in T5, the M6 and ARL 44 buffs in T6 to offset the KV-2 without touching the stats, and the T7 heavy buffs around the Smasher.

By buffing tanks around the problem tank, it becomes less of a problem and is more easily dealt with by the tanks who once struggled with it.

 

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Guderian5266 #30 Posted 26 March 2020 - 07:50 PM

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So for IS-4 (or any tier X heavy), which is better now, the improved armor (4%?) or the extra HP?

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Having no idea how much impact this will have, from a theoretical standpoint, I like the idea of shifting metas from time to time. Keep things fresh.

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*me, playing Besiege, having no clue why your so mad about a game*

erm ok



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View PostPopcann, on 26 March 2020 - 08:25 AM, said:

Seems like the t92/Sheridan has caused a massive restructure to the game, as they buff Tier10 heavies, they then have to go and buff Tier9 heavies so they can compete with the tier10, and so on down the tiers. Then there gonna have to do somethin to the meds so there able to handle the heavies.

 

just how it seems to me, could be way off.

Just like WG buffing the entire TT of Tier VII, just to try and balance the nonsense that the Basher fake tank brought....



_ImUrHuckleberry #35 Posted 27 March 2020 - 02:30 AM

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View PostGuderian5266, on 26 March 2020 - 11:50 AM, said:

So for IS-4 (or any tier X heavy), which is better now, the improved armor (4%?) or the extra HP?

 

Always accentuate your strengths imho. IS-4 now has some serious junk in the trunk, so throw down a six pack of twinkies. Not to mention that we still haven't a clue what that 4% is about, so i'd stick to the extra 6% (2809) HP buff.



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All the meds at tier x got nerfed awhile back bc of how OP they were. Put a PC tank on a small map made them very hard to deal with. Maybe not OP but definitely not fair. It's even more obvious when you are the only heavy/slow tank in the game. Things happen too fast around you for you to really help your team. Think of it like the fat guy trying to keep up with everyone. 


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_ImUrHuckleberry #37 Posted 27 March 2020 - 03:46 AM

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I'll just drop this snippet of a game i had an hour or two ago:

 

 

In the end, WG manages to piss off every demographic, skill level, and tank type player in the game. Now that's OP anarchy.:popcorn:



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View PostPosit1ve_, on 26 March 2020 - 01:48 AM, said:

 

 

Although personally, I'm a bit surprised that DMG doesn't like this meta shift. He seems to have been far better at playing the old heavy meta then the faster medium meta.

 

 

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View PostChiefmac, on 26 March 2020 - 06:40 PM, said:

Just like WG buffing the entire TT of Tier VII, just to try and balance the nonsense that the Basher fake tank brought....

 

They didn't buff the T-34-1, just let it suffer power creep instead.



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View Post_ImUrHuckleberry, on 26 March 2020 - 09:30 PM, said:

 

Always accentuate your strengths imho. IS-4 now has some serious junk in the trunk, so throw down a six pack of twinkies. Not to mention that we still haven't a clue what that 4% is about, so i'd stick to the extra 6% (2809) HP buff.


IS-4 without armor is a an easy pen for meds and most heavies on the front plate and sides. 
   With the 4% it becomes significantly more than 4% more troll.   

Scrimmages against some clans, it’s much easier (in the gunsight) to shred an IS-4 using Improved Assembly.  
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