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[Roberto577_One]

Jean_Luc_D_Argent, on 20 April 2020 - 03:17 AM, said:

Hey guys, it's tough opening myself up to criticism and ridicule, and I realize I'm just not that good yet, even though I've played way too much already. BUT if you'd be willing to look at my stats (https://www.blitzstars.com/player/com/Jean_Luc_D_Argent) and give specific feedback, I'd appreciate it. I'm sure I should be staying in lower tiers, but how low? There is so little teamwork and strategy even in tier 5. And I don't even know if all my stats will show, since I have (and have had) many tanks with less than 100 battles.

 

Should I focus on just one tier, or just one type of tank, or even just one line? Always play to 100 battles, even if my WR is low? I get a bit bored with slow heavies, I prefer heaviums, but I also enjoy TDs and mediums. I think I suck in lights, and therefore I rarely play them anymore. I have earned my way to a bunch of tier 8s but maybe I should be lingering in 6-7 for a while?

 

I guess that's enough rambling. Other than that, by way of introduction, I'm an early 40s married dude with 3 teen kids, living overseas. Thanks in advance!

 

I personally started learning to play at Tier 6. I had grinded the German heavy line up to Tier 8, but I sucked at the game so I eventually sold the Tiger II and ground up the French Light line and the Russian Heavy lines. The unfortunate side effect of choosing to grind multiple lines was that I ran out of credits fast (This was before I started putting real money into the game). The end result was that I ended up having only 4 tanks in my garage that I played, the AMX 12t, the KV-1S, the M4 Sherman, and the AMX ELC bis. For almost 1000 battles these were the only tanks I played, and they taught me how to play the game. I went from terrible player to unicum in those 1000 battles.

 

The important part isn't the tanks that I played, but rather the number of battles. I played those tanks so much that I started to know the Tier 5/6 meta like the back of my hand. Knowing your tank is a very small part of Blitz, you also need to know the strengths and weaknesses of the tanks you're playing against. The only way to learn that is either by playing every single one of those tanks, or by playing against them again and again until you learn via repetition.

 

Here's my suggestion to you: repurchase one of the tanks that you felt comfortable in and keep playing it until you know the meta. I have to go now, or I'd say more, but GLHF in the battlefield.

 

- R577

[Tank_Beard]

Roberto577_One, on 20 April 2020 - 07:50 PM, said:

 

I personally started learning to play at Tier 6. I had grinded the German heavy line up to Tier 8, but I sucked at the game so I eventually sold the Tiger II and ground up the French Light line and the Russian Heavy lines. The unfortunate side effect of choosing to grind multiple lines was that I ran out of credits fast (This was before I started putting real money into the game). The end result was that I ended up having only 4 tanks in my garage that I played, the AMX 12t, the KV-1S, the M4 Sherman, and the AMX ELC bis. For almost 1000 battles these were the only tanks I played, and they taught me how to play the game. I went from terrible player to unicum in those 1000 battles.

 

The important part isn't the tanks that I played, but rather the number of battles. I played those tanks so much that I started to know the Tier 5/6 meta like the back of my hand. Knowing your tank is a very small part of Blitz, you also need to know the strengths and weaknesses of the tanks you're playing against. The only way to learn that is either by playing every single one of those tanks, or by playing against them again and again until you learn via repetition.

 

Here's my suggestion to you: repurchase one of the tanks that you felt comfortable in and keep playing it until you know the meta. I have to go now, or I'd say more, but GLHF in the battlefield.

 

- R577

Good inputs. Sadly, after selling a premium tank & buying several tier 5/6 tanks, this afternoon was one of the worst series of battles I've had in a long time. Couldn't survive or win. =/

[acrisis]

That can happen to anybody. Team work is often a miss. Platooning with a good player can help, but even then, surprise! I distinctly recall a couple sessions with more experienced and better players than me, and we went 0:6 ... no teams, low tier, bad rng, mistakes made, frustration sets in ... you name it. 

 

After two three losses, switch tanks, tiers, drop down, ... if the losses pile up. Stop playing.  Come back at a later time.

Don’t go 0:10 or 2:12 ... when you are trying to dig out of the hole.  

[Posit1ve_]

Ah, I haven't done one of these in a while; but I'm pretty good at stat reading.

 

First off, disregard everything people have told you about survival. Survival is basically highly correlated with winrate because winning causes survival (kinda tough to survive losses, because in all cases, by definition of a loss, you've died, unless you lost by cap). Blitz is fundamentally a race to do damage. The team that does the most damage first wins. 

 

Answers to your questions:

 

"I'm sure I should be staying in lower tiers, but how low?": Tiers 7 and 8. Tiers 5 and 6 simply don't have players good enough to force you to learn, and tanks aren't differentiated enough to learn much either. Also, learning below tier 7 can cause you to "learn" bad habits simply by merit of the fact that players are bad enough to let you get away with things

 

"Should I focus on just one tier, or just one type of tank, or even just one line?": No. Playing multiple different types of tanks and playstyles allows you to understand them better, and so you'll have a better idea of what you're going up against in battle. Knowing your opponents can be just as important as knowing your own strengths. Moreover, by exploring all different kinds of playstyles, you'll be able to find what you like playing best. 

 

"Always play to 100 battles, even if my WR is low?": No. There are going to be tanks that you despise playing. Grind though them to get to the next one, and move on. At the end of the day, this is a game, and you should have fun playing it. And all you're doing by forcing yourself to play 100 battles in a tank you don't like is A. ruining your enjoyment, and B. ruining your stats further. As you progress as a player, you may revisit a tank to find you now do well in it, or enjoy it. But if now isn't the right time, then don't bother. *caveat, playing tanks with less than full modules and less than 100% crew will be painful no matter the tank, so at least max out the tank before coming to a conclusion

 

About your stats:

 Now, onto the stat reading:

Judging from your stats as a whole, this is my impression:
The way you play a game frequently plays out like this generic game: You roll out in your Lowe, trying to get the city caps for your team, when an enemy T34 pops out. You go into sniper mode, trying to find a shot on his cupola, and the next thing you know, you're dead, and it seems like nobody helped you. 

Since you do better primarily in tanks with more accurate guns, but also decent damage per shot, I'm led to believe that you frequently find yourself  in scenarios where you're trying to hit weakspots, while also disregarding your own positioning, usually to your detriment.

On the whole, you have a few key things that you MUST learn before you learn anything else.
1. Know your own positioning: My recommendation? Never use sniper mode for more than a few seconds to fire off a shot. If you find yourself in sniper mode for more than a second or two, STOP. Playing in sniper mode makes it seriously difficult to realize that there's an enemy creeping up on your side, or that you're sitting in the open, etc.... Make sure you're aware of how you're sitting before you worry about shooting back at the enemy.
2. Find cover: Always be sure to expose as little of your tank as possible, and for most tanks, that means that whenever possible hide as much of your hull as you can and only expose your turret. Cover takes all sorts of forms, not just buildings (which happen to be the worst form of cover). The corners of ridges and hills, gentle slopes, dead tanks, these are all wonderful things to hide your hull with. If your hull is not hidden, you better have some sort of plan to do something about it
3. Stop trying to take fights that you can't win. Whenever a target shows up, you must understand that just because you can hit him doesn't mean you will. If you find yourself trying to snipe at weakspots, there's a good chance that you're not going to win that fight, unless you yourself are also in a super strong position. The next time you recognize that you're in a fight you can't win, do everything in your power to avoid it. Hide behind cover until he goes away, run away and find something else to do, etc... DO NOT continue to sit where you are just to maybe pen one out of like 3 shots on some bogus front-on shot. 

If you learn these 3 basics, you're well on your way to becoming a great player.

 

Guides

How to hull down: http://forum.wotblit...lly-looks-like/
Also, WG has made some excellent guides for WoT PC, but the info is just as applicable to Blitz, these are my 2 personal recommendations:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKtmnwIwrHc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkwy5yULzvk
^^This one is nominally for autoloaders, but most of the stuff in it is applicable to regular tanks as well.
 

Good luck!
 

 

[e___18989]

I have a series in on my channel that is called "Unicum Training." All the videos are in a single playlist. It is the basics of the game and should help you tremendously. Link to my channel in my profile. Goodluck! 

[minitel_NA]

Jean_Luc_D_Argent, on 20 April 2020 - 12:08 PM, said:

Thanks for this. I have been trying to play less aggressively. I usually head out from spawn thinking of spotting or capping (in supremacy), but then too often get swarmed by reds. I need to more patiently move from cover to cover. Right now I'm grinding Challenger (36 battles, 56% WR, 728 avg dmg) and I think it helps knowing I have no armor, so I have been trying to be more intentional to use cover and gun depression.

think of spotting as something useless.
It doesn’t help getting wins, unless you are a pro. There are graphs proving it, but I’m lazy.

 

also think of capping early as something extremely situational. Some maps you can pull it off, but when you can do it on your own without any support is extremely rare and requires as much situational awareness as the spotting above. So bottom line, blocking reds from getting the most important base with the help of your team is usually a much much better idea than raiding a base yolo style.

in the end, even in supremacy, you still win more when you have more tanks, than when you have more base points. So stay in the game and kill reds.

 

my last advice, is to read posit1ve_’s post again. It’s valuable.

 

GL.

 

 

Edited by minitel_NA, 21 April 2020 - 12:33 AM.

[King__David]

There is a lot of information out there let me simplify it for u..........think of ur stats as a pyramid. You start with the base and everything else builds on top of that. That base is doing damage. Try taking your time and aiming more....helps a lot to let the circle shrink all the way.....wait for it to stop shrinking. Aim for the common weak areas on tanks (lower plate, commanders hatch, drive wheel).....less armor more likely to pen and do damage.....less "RNG" 

 

If you plan on going anywhere you need to first start getting that damage out....make good trades and don't expose your tank for unnecessary things. Tanks that live longer usually do more damage.

 

You want your accuracy 80% and above....79% and below is bad. Think of it like a grade. You want that B not a C

 

Forgot to mention the minimum damage you should try and do is the hitpoints of your tank. Try to get it as close as possible and going over is even better. 

Edited by King__David, 21 April 2020 - 06:57 AM.

[Tank_Beard]

Thanks, all. Even more good advice. I will focus on damage and staying behind cover as much as possible while still being effective. I didn't realize my accuracy was bad, I will work on that (I actually thought I was a pretty good shot, most of the time). I think I struggle with the dynamic nature of the battle. I can't just go find one perfect cover to hide behind, because the battle will shift, or I have teammates in a pinch, or whatever, then suddenly you're on the move, exposed, and I do think I have a hard time picturing what other tankers see of my tank (maybe thinking I'm in a good spot, but then get sniped from three directions. And I don't quite understand about brawling - seems like this should just be avoided at all costs since I'm not a light tank COD'er, but seems too often I get pulled into a brawl. And the comment about sniper mode is likely something I'm guilty of - being in it too long/too often.

 

Not sure about tiers as I'm getting mixed input on that. I will avoid tier 8 for now, I guess, but I really would prefer to stay out of 5, as well. Maybe 6-7 is a happy medium. Unfortunately, I've sold most of my tier 7 6 tanks as I grinded to tier 8. Or I could dump the 5s & 6s and rebuy the Tiger 1 or P43.ter. (Or just focus on the ones I already have). 

 

Thanks again. I really do appreciate the time you guys have taken to try to help me out. Kudos.

 

**also, just to clarify, I don't typically yolo to a cap and sit there. If I go to a cap, it's with teammates and using cover while there, then getting out as soon as cap is made.

Edited by Jean_Luc_D_Argent, 21 April 2020 - 07:55 AM.

[Tank_Beard]

I was wrong about tier 7 tanks. I still have a good handful (T29, Panther, IS, KV-3, Comet, Black Prince, and some lights and TDS). Tier 6 is thin for me though. (Just have Easy8, KV-1s, & Bromwell). 

Edited by Jean_Luc_D_Argent, 21 April 2020 - 07:51 AM.

[Rou_Garou]

Wow.  Just gotta say this entire post is where this forum shines.  

In 24 hours you guys gave a very informative and comprehensive post 

that everyone needs to read at least once a month

without any snide remarks or criticism even(as of yet. )

True Quaranteam effort.

o7 Thanks

 

Edited by Rou_Garou, 21 April 2020 - 08:27 AM.

[Tank_Beard]

Rou_Garou, on 21 April 2020 - 08:26 AM, said:

Wow.  Just gotta say this entire post is where this forum shines.  

In 24 hours you guys gave a very informative and comprehensive post 

that everyone needs to read at least once a month

without any snide remarks or criticism even(as of yet. )

True Quaranteam effort.

o7 Thanks

 

Agree 100%. The community makes this game. Without the helpful core of folks that stick with it, despite the ups & downs, I think I would've bailed long ago.

[Tank_Beard]

e___18989, on 20 April 2020 - 10:39 PM, said:

I have a series in on my channel that is called "Unicum Training." All the videos are in a single playlist. It is the basics of the game and should help you tremendously. Link to my channel in my profile. Goodluck! 

Just watched the first vid. Great stuff. Much to learn and put into practice. Thanks. 

[acrisis]

Jean_Luc_D_Argent, on 21 April 2020 - 02:45 AM, said:

I was wrong about tier 7 tanks. I still have a good handful (T29, Panther, IS, KV-3, Comet, Black Prince, and some lights and TDS). Tier 6 is thin for me though. (Just have Easy8, KV-1s, & Bromwell). 

 

Easy8 is great as a medium.

 

KV1S with the long reload was the tank that I really learned situational awareness in, lots of time in reload to look at the minimap and teams, scan surroundings, make every shot count, decide between max damage and kill shots, push or retreat, self defense, keep team mates alive ... got my first raisiniai ... I still remember that battle. 

T29 great to practice hull down. 

[acrisis]

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[Zwap49]

Jean_Luc_D_Argent, on 20 April 2020 - 11:17 AM, said:

Hey guys, it's tough opening myself up to criticism and ridicule, and I realize I'm just not that good yet, even though I've played way too much already. BUT if you'd be willing to look at my stats (https://www.blitzstars.com/player/com/Jean_Luc_D_Argent) and give specific feedback, I'd appreciate it. I'm sure I should be staying in lower tiers, but how low? There is so little teamwork and strategy even in tier 5. And I don't even know if all my stats will show, since I have (and have had) many tanks with less than 100 battles.

 

Should I focus on just one tier, or just one type of tank, or even just one line? Always play to 100 battles, even if my WR is low? I get a bit bored with slow heavies, I prefer heaviums, but I also enjoy TDs and mediums. I think I suck in lights, and therefore I rarely play them anymore. I have earned my way to a bunch of tier 8s but maybe I should be lingering in 6-7 for a while?

 

I guess that's enough rambling. Other than that, by way of introduction, I'm an early 40s married dude with 3 teen kids, living overseas. Thanks in advance!

Cheers and good luck with blitz. Check out armoured_pantz on you tube. Covers all the tank stats and reviews tanks, maybe the best site to help a blitz player. Very good format and easy to compare tanks and play style. 
 

 

[jahawa]

Welcome to the forums Jean_Luc. Lots of good advice. Only thing I will add specifically is, learn to reset your camo. There are archive posts about camo dynamics. Very helpful. 

[King__David]

Jean_Luc_D_Argent, on 21 April 2020 - 07:22 AM, said:

I didn't realize my accuracy was bad, I will work on that (I actually thought I was a pretty good shot, most of the time). 

 

 

I think its bad and that's because all the crazy uni people have 80% and up.  What that means is that it shows how deadly or scary of a player you are. If I were to push you it shows how likely you are to get a shot on to me. 

 

Some people have really really low accuracy and you can almost ignore them because they are so bad. lol    

 

Try just hitting the tank more because missing it a lot worse. 

[acrisis]

Allow me to jump in here: your hit rate is fine.

 

Why do I say that? 

 

Because everybody has a learning curve, starts with 50% - 75%, crew stock tanks and what not ... and your 90 day is already 80%. 

 

I used to have 50% accuracy!

 

Why? auto-loaders and emptying every clip on dead tanks or rocks to always start with a full clip, lots of firing on the move, shots of opportunity without aiming in, long range shots on small targets ... and not realizing that every single shot is tracked until like tier 5 and 1500 battles. I was playing the game like it was unlimited free ammo as in other games I had played in the past. Surprise! 

 

Anyhow. 90 day you are at 80%. You are on the right track. Basically just keep trying to always make shots connect to the target and not waste a lot of shells. Easier said than done in some tanks and circumstances. 

[_Crusader6_]

You took a great first step.    Other than the early WOT PC transfers no one arrived in Blitz with knowing the game. 
   Most of us here have been in your shoes. 
 

You have been given some great advice here.  All I will say at this point is welcome aboard, and good luck. 

[Tank_Beard]

Thanks guys! I still have a question: I seem to do more damage and have higher WRs in TDs. But it was recommended I steer away from them. Is it because although I’m doing damage it is not the right (helpful to the team) kind of damage? I was 57% in Nashorn and 59%  in the flatpanzer. (I realize my survival rate and dmg should be higher, though.) And 57% in Chi-To SPG, but I think it’s OP. 

Edited by Jean_Luc_D_Argent, 22 April 2020 - 03:16 PM.