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RedOctopus #1 Posted 17 May 2020 - 01:42 PM

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Recently, the T1 Heavy got an armor buff which I believe it did not need. The tank was already good to begin with (even better than the KV-1 in my opinion). The tank already had amazing speed for a heavy at its tier, its got a accurate and hard-hitting gun, and it actually has useable gun depression. The tank was literally impenetrable from the front except for a thin strip of armor at the bottom. Yeah, the T1 Heavy had weak side and rear armor, but it's supposed to be a hull-down tank. Originally, the T1 Heavy was the hull-down heavy at Tier 5, the KV-1 was the sidescraping heavy, the BDRG-1 was the heavy with the slow-firing, big damage gun, while the Churchill was the heavy with a fast-firing, high-dpm gun. After the buff, the T1 Heavy can sidescrape better than the KV-1 and still retains all of its advantages such as good gun depression and mobility. I feel like Wargaming should return the T1 Heavy to its original state. The tank did not need the buff at all. 

JakeBaby #2 Posted 17 May 2020 - 01:49 PM

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They’re just buffing it so that it will be balanced when atgms are introduced to tier 5 :trollface:

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you... just now realized it was OP?!

RedOctopus #4 Posted 17 May 2020 - 01:59 PM

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View PostMajor_Sweatpants, on 17 May 2020 - 01:53 PM, said:

you... just now realized it was OP?!

Ummm.... I don't play that much tier 5 ;)



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_The_Tactition_ #6 Posted 17 May 2020 - 02:43 PM

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I remember when it was trash. I’m just happy it’s good now.

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Mako__Reizei___ #7 Posted 17 May 2020 - 04:45 PM

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I'm still just salty about the KV-1 side nerf which it totally didn't need (it was balanced) yet noobs cried about it being op because they couldn't pen it when in reality it's actually pretty easy to pen so long as it isn't angled to perfection. Don't get me wrong, KV-1 is still a good tank but the side armor nerf along with T1 Heavy buff made it pretty much irrelevant.

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Kiwi_Kebab #8 Posted 17 May 2020 - 06:40 PM

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T1 has been the tier 5 of choice for seal clubbers for several updates now, even before the armor buff.

RedOctopus #9 Posted 17 May 2020 - 07:09 PM

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View Post_The_Tactition_, on 17 May 2020 - 02:43 PM, said:

I remember when it was trash. I’m just happy it’s good now.

I don't recall it ever being trash. Before the update, it was still a very good tank. It had good gun depression and mobility and could not be penetrated hull down. The new buff just makes all of the other tier 5 heavies irrelevant. 



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View PostRedOctopus, on 17 May 2020 - 07:09 PM, said:

I don't recall it ever being trash. Before the update, it was still a very good tank. It had good gun depression and mobility and could not be penetrated hull down. The new buff just makes all of the other tier 5 heavies irrelevant. 


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Noob666_ #11 Posted 17 May 2020 - 08:07 PM

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Thats why I sold all of my tech tree tier 5s.
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Well there is a little machine gun port on the right side on the front of the hull.  Easy to pen with my S35 CA.


 

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View PostMako__Reizei___, on 17 May 2020 - 11:45 AM, said:

I'm still just salty about the KV-1 side nerf which it totally didn't need (it was balanced) yet noobs cried about it being op because they couldn't pen it when in reality it's actually pretty easy to pen so long as it isn't angled to perfection. Don't get me wrong, KV-1 is still a good tank but the side armor nerf along with T1 Heavy buff made it pretty much irrelevant.

I feel the same. Has always been my favorite tank. I do miss the armor. Would like it back. Oh well. 



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IMO, its not OP if you know how to use ACPR. Hull down the tank is strong, but any tank can get APCR to go through the turret. The players are learning too, I often get hit through my turret now by a couple players every match with APCR.

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View PostTexas_Tyrant, on 18 May 2020 - 05:24 AM, said:

IMO, its not OP if you know how to use ACPR. Hull down the tank is strong, but any tank can get APCR to go through the turret. The players are learning too, I often get hit through my turret now by a couple players every match with APCR.

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Yeah, but the thing is, most enemies at that tier are noobs/newbs who don't know how to use such ammunition and even if they do, I doubt they have the credits to do so. Most of the decent-good players tend to play tiers 7-10 which further decreases the amount of players that can deal with it. The T1 Heavy is op in pub matches, perhaps not so in tourneys because gold will be flying everywhere.


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View PostKiwi_Kebab, on 17 May 2020 - 11:40 AM, said:

T1 has been the tier 5 of choice for seal clubbers for several updates now, even before the armor buff.

 

Yep. It's been OP for at least the last three years. Prior to 5.5, it was OP because of its mobility and ramming capability.

 

Since then, the armor buffs have made it much more boring but still OP.

 

View PostTexas_Tyrant, on 18 May 2020 - 03:24 AM, said:

IMO, its not OP if you know how to use ACPR. Hull down the tank is strong, but any tank can get APCR to go through the turret. The players are learning too, I often get hit through my turret now by a couple players every match with APCR.

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If it requires APCR to take it down, then it's OP. You're an experienced player, so I would expect you to be able to handle T1s. I can handle them too but that doesn't mean it isn't OP.

 

It can trade AP with same tier heavies' APCR. It will win that trade. It's also more mobile than same tier heavies. It's OP.



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I have a theory....maybe WG likes to mess with balancing not to "fix" or whatever you want to call it.........but instead to influence where the player base is at. Like right now I would imagine a lot of the player base is on the American tech tree bc ATGMs and T1 Heavy. Maybe this could be part of some kind of big plan (IDK)....like maybe this makes people more inclined to buy a new American prem tank that WG just released. IDk lol 

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View PostKing__David, on 19 May 2020 - 03:52 AM, said:

I have a theory....maybe WG likes to mess with balancing not to "fix" or whatever you want to call it.........but instead to influence where the player base is at. Like right now I would imagine a lot of the player base is on the American tech tree bc ATGMs and T1 Heavy. Maybe this could be part of some kind of big plan (IDK)....like maybe this makes people more inclined to buy a new American prem tank that WG just released. IDk lol 


I like the idea/theory but wouldn't they buff a tank to a closer tier? Such as the T21, T54E1, T32....?

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View PostTexas_Tyrant, on 19 May 2020 - 10:00 AM, said:


I like the idea/theory but wouldn't they buff a tank to a closer tier? Such as the T21, T54E1, T32....?

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IDk? Maybe?







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