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Tier 8 German line Ferdinand Jpanther II tank destroyer

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Lucs_gabriel #1 Posted 13 October 2020 - 11:25 PM

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So I have a jpanther (VII) and I want to buy either the Ferdinand or the Jpanther II. I kinda know the differences between those two, but I'm still having trouble with choosing between one of them. What you guys think about it? Thank you!

tankeatingtiger #2 Posted 13 October 2020 - 11:38 PM

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Ignore people that say JP II is if you want mobility, and Ferdi is if you want armor.

JP II, if you can hide the lower half, is very well armored. Ferdi, on the other hand, is riddled with weakspots because it is based on the Tiger P chassis. On paper, the armor advantage goes to the Ferdi, but only on paper. J

P II does in fact have better mobility and a better gun, making it the clear favorite. 


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generalhonks #3 Posted 14 October 2020 - 12:05 AM

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Jpanther II all the way. Better gun, better mobility. The armor is better on the Jpanther II even though the Ferdi is better on paper. It’s because the Ferdi has mostly flat plates of armor, whereas the Jpanther II has sloped armor. The Ferdi just doesn’t do as well as the Jpanther II.

 

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boris55555 #4 Posted 14 October 2020 - 12:48 AM

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View PostRibbleStripe, on 06 October 2020 - 05:14 AM, said:

7.2 stats

 

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Not so fast. Ferd is a beast.



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View Postgeneralhonks, on 13 October 2020 - 06:05 PM, said:

Jpanther II all the way. Better gun, better mobility. The armor is better on the Jpanther II even though the Ferdi is better on paper. It’s because the Ferdi has mostly flat plates of armor, whereas the Jpanther II has sloped armor. The Ferdi just doesn’t do as well as the Jpanther II.

If you think that sacrificing aim time and 1 deg of gun depression for less than a tenth of a second reload time makes it a better gun, you are dumb. The guns are practically the same except the Ferdinand has a larger gun arc. It’s a purely mobility versus some form of armor. 


 

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AnathsHairy3rdLeg #6 Posted 14 October 2020 - 02:08 AM

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View Postboris55555, on 13 October 2020 - 06:48 PM, said:

Not so fast. Ferd is a beast.


200 IQ. Taking in a statistical bias. More people play the JP2 over the Ferd. More people view the Ferd as a worthless vehicle thus leading them to platoon more often in their Ferdinands. Go do a brain dead tin foil hat rant instead of directly lying to people.


 

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View Posttankeatingtiger, on 13 October 2020 - 06:38 PM, said:

Ignore people that say JP II is if you want mobility, and Ferdi is if you want armor.

JP II, if you can hide the lower half, is very well armored. Ferdi, on the other hand, is riddled with weakspots because it is based on the Tiger P chassis. On paper, the armor advantage goes to the Ferdi, but only on paper. J

P II does in fact have better mobility and a better gun, making it the clear favorite. 

I second this. Start the match in a TD spot, if after a minute or two it doesn't work out then you can quickly move in with your mediums and slaughter them with your DPM. The only thing the Ferdinand has going for it is an extra degree of gun depression.

View Postboris55555, on 13 October 2020 - 07:48 PM, said:

Not so fast. Ferd is a beast.

*player average stats*

Ferdinand (rightfully so) has a bad reputation, so the only people who play it are good players with nothing better to do.



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View PostRage_Personified, on 13 October 2020 - 09:08 PM, said:


200 IQ. Taking in a statistical bias. More people play the JP2 over the Ferd. More people view the Ferd as a worthless vehicle thus leading them to platoon more often in their Ferdinands. Go do a brain dead tin foil hat rant instead of directly lying to people.


a little much despite your name. Show me some stats on ferds in toon. I’m not a good player by any means but I can make it work well. How have I offended you for this op attack? I have a tin foil theory about your...


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View PostKempBushThe3rd, on 13 October 2020 - 09:26 PM, said:

I second this. Start the match in a TD spot, if after a minute or two it doesn't work out then you can quickly move in with your mediums and slaughter them with your DPM. The only thing the Ferdinand has going for it is an extra degree of gun depression.

Ferdinand (rightfully so) has a bad reputation, so the only people who play it are good players with nothing better to do.

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JPanther II

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Thank you guys so much!

Lucs_gabriel #12 Posted 14 October 2020 - 04:58 AM

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And I just realized I've written "ir" instead of "or" lol. Welp, it doesn't matter now.

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View PostLucs_gabriel, on 13 October 2020 - 10:58 PM, said:

And I just realized I've written "ir" instead of "or" lol. Welp, it doesn't matter now.

 

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View PostRage_Personified, on 14 October 2020 - 04:08 AM, said:


200 IQ. Taking in a statistical bias. More people play the JP2 over the Ferd. More people view the Ferd as a worthless vehicle thus leading them to platoon more often in their Ferdinands. Go do a brain dead tin foil hat rant instead of directly lying to people.

Read the title of the graph :rolleyes: 


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Jpanther all the way. The only reason the feridand is there is to provide an alternate playstyle for people who happen to like the Ferdinand. Second, the game'd be pretty boring if there was only one way to reach tier X!

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View PostHye_yeon_Cho, on 15 October 2020 - 07:22 PM, said:

Jpanther all the way. The only reason the feridand is there is to provide an alternate playstyle for people who happen to like the Ferdinand. Second, the game'd be pretty boring if there was only one way to reach tier X!

 

Actually, no, the Ferdinand was the original tier 8 German TD, and the JPanther II didn't get added until a year later. None of the "alternate playstyle" bullcrap, if they believed in that they would've buff the Ferd a loooooong time ago.



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I have have about 1800 avg damage in the Jp2, and about 2100 in the Ferdi, so you can figure out my answer.

 

Ferdinand has 1400 hp vs 1150, which is just about tier 9 TD hp. The gun depression and gun arc means you can poke effectively and get a lot of bounces as you pull back behind cover. I remember having a LOT of trouble penetrating head-on it from a distance with my Emil I in a recent game (with calibrated premium shells). And it has all the mobility it needs to find same-tier heavies, pop adrenaline, and hit them for 900 while maybe taking 400 back.


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