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_Crusader6_ #21 Posted 15 November 2020 - 06:21 PM

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View PostRagnarok_Stravius, on 15 November 2020 - 01:15 PM, said:

How can I not care about the Smasher?

 

I play mostly Tier VIII, and that thing can still do illogical stuff against VK-100s and Lowe's, I already said this before, sometimes my shots can't through it no matter what, while it can easily pen me for no reason, no maybe what I do.


If you trouble penning the Smasher in a tier 8, you have me questioning why you are playing tier 8.  
   
 


 

 
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View PostRagnarok_Stravius, on 15 November 2020 - 01:15 PM, said:

How can I not care about the Smasher?

 

I play mostly Tier VIII, and that thing can still do illogical stuff against VK-100s and Lowe's, I already said this before, sometimes my shots can't through it no matter what, while it can easily pen me for no reason, no maybe what I do.

 

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minitel_NA #23 Posted 15 November 2020 - 11:12 PM

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Remove the smasher won’t solve the issue, with the release of the humili-hator, and knowing they come after the dracul and phone-hell-thing.

 

they would need to remove all of these, and seeing how many there are in tier7, it looks like they make a lot of money out of them. 
 

don’t expect anye removal soon..

 

however I wish I could opt out of the funny tanks. Right now it means playing tier 8.


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View PostRagnarok_Stravius, on 15 November 2020 - 12:57 PM, said:

I never had problems with the ATGMs, only got into Tier IX months after the their inclusion, I only thought of them a gimmicks for a new useless light tank.

 

But, I always had problems with the Smasher, when it was added, I thought it was a reskinned KV-2 for a quick cash grab, but then it started getting spammed like hell, and it the amount of times it bounced shells for no reason and the times it penned me for no reason, I grew to hate this OP Trash.

 

Now, that WG finally removed something that the Community hated, can WG remove the Smasher, something everyone, except the worthless players that spam it, also hates?


 My god, stop crying about the smasher. It’s just a tank, if you can’t keep up or take it out then quit.



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You're comparing apples to oranges in two different baskets: 

 

A) OP tanks have been around for ages, and can be countered with intelligent gameplay-hence their attributes are accentuated because intelligent play is non-existent in pub matches. If they can't be countered effectively, eventually WG wakes up from its coma and brings out Lucille, or gives the competition Uno reverse cards.

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B) Missiles cannot be countered, unless you count giving up a chokepoint/hill to your team's detriment or hurting its knuckles with your teeth. Hence Lucille turns the American light tank line into Glenn.

 

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Any tank can be killed if you know what you are doing. In this case, the weaknesses of a Smasher is that it is slow and has a long reload. Once it fires, circle it and get side shots. The turret of a Smasher will not be able to keep up with you unless you are in a superheavy tank.

 

No, I’m not defending German technical superiority, I’m stating the ****ing obvious!

 

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View PostRagnarok_Stravius, on 15 November 2020 - 06:15 PM, said:

How can I not care about the Smasher?

 

I play mostly Tier VIII, and that thing can still do illogical stuff against VK-100s and Lowe's, I already said this before, sometimes my shots can't through it no matter what, while it can easily pen me for no reason, no maybe what I do.

 

I've taken out many a Smasher in my Lowe.  They are not too intimidating.  You should try aiming better or perhaps using better tactics like sidescraping.



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Let me flip a coin, il tell you what it says :coin:

 

It says "no".. actually both sides say "no"  :P

 

People paid for this tank, and it doesnt hold any game breaking features... the tank is just annoying :mellow:


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 Now that WG is removing ATGMs, can we talk about removing the Smasher?

 

According to this logic we have to remove KV-2, SU-152, Death Star. After that - autoloaders and autoreloaders. And make all the tanks completely equal at the end. Just like in Battle city. Or what was the name of that NES tanks game?

 

We are removing a new mechanics a part of community didn’t and won’t accept. It’s a completely different case. 

 


 

 


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View PostRibbleStripe, on 17 November 2020 - 06:49 AM, said:

 

According to this logic we have to remove KV-2, SU-152, Death Star. After that - autoloaders and autoreloaders. And make all the tanks completely equal at the end. Just like in Battle city. Or what was the name of that NES tanks game?

 

We are removing a new mechanics a part of community didn’t and won’t accept. It’s a completely different case. 

 

Exactly. Like I said, all tanks can be killed if you know how to do it. In the case if ATGMs, they were unfair cause they gave non line of sight shooting. This is why (at least I assume) WG is removing missiles. I actually much prefer this new standard HEAT shell. 


 

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View PostRibbleStripe, on 17 November 2020 - 05:49 AM, said:

 

According to this logic we have to remove KV-2, SU-152, Death Star. After that - autoloaders and autoreloaders. And make all the tanks completely equal at the end. Just like in Battle city. Or what was the name of that NES tanks game?

 

We are removing a new mechanics a part of community didn’t and won’t accept. It’s a completely different case. 

 


Honestly I think most of us would be totally cool of you just replaced the 183 with a ‘Super Tortoise’ 

    
 


 

 
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View Post_Crusader6_, on 17 November 2020 - 08:19 AM, said:


Honestly I think most of us would be totally cool of you just replaced the 183 with a ‘Super Tortoise’ 

    
 

 

Something like the Badger?


 


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I got my first Raisen in the Smasher yesterday. Also picked up a Kolobanov in the game. The other team had a Smasher, Annihilator, and a Helsing on the roster. We had a Dracula and Helsing but no Annihilator. I received 4 shots that did not pen me; at least 2 were from an SU-122-44. For this, I received a First Class medal, one Effective Player vote, and a Lucky player vote. 

 

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View PostRonaldusMaximus_, on 17 November 2020 - 08:27 AM, said:

 

Something like the Badger?

Well the only logical thing for the "Super Tortoise" would be the badger. Then where would the 183 go? In WoT PC it became a premium and was replaced by the Badger. That also means the FV4005 would take place holder of the 183 since the tank is made to fit a 183mm cannon. It wouldn't work because either way people are going to be mad that a tank they paid money for is now for free... Unless they get proper compensation which is unlikely. It wouldn't work and if this was to be implemented an entirely new tier 10 TD... I don't see this working at all.


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View PostRonaldusMaximus_, on 17 November 2020 - 08:27 AM, said:

 

Something like the Badger?

 

View PostWOT_BLITZ_, on 17 November 2020 - 08:34 AM, said:

Well the only logical thing for the "Super Tortoise" would be the badger. Then where would the 183 go? In WoT PC it became a premium and was replaced by the Badger. That also means the FV4005 would take place holder of the 183 since the tank is made to fit a 183mm cannon. It wouldn't work because either way people are going to be mad that a tank they paid money for is now for free... Unless they get proper compensation which is unlikely. It wouldn't work and if this was to be implemented an entirely new tier 10 TD... I don't see this working at all.


I think most of us wished the Badger had straight up replaced the 183.   
 

That ship sailed though.  
   You could legit give the Tort more armor, some spaced armor and a bit more mobility and DPM and call it the Super Tortoise and replace the 183.  
 
The 183 doesn’t fit Blitz, it will never be balanced due to the alpha and pen.      
    To really balance the 183 it needs to lose the HESH.   Then one can look at fixing it. 
 


 

 
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View Post_Crusader6_, on 17 November 2020 - 08:41 AM, said:

 


I think most of us wished the Badger had straight up replaced the 183.   
 

That ship sailed though.  
   You could legit give the Tort more armor, some spaced armor and a bit more mobility and DPM and call it the Super Tortoise and replace the 183.  
 
The 183 doesn’t fit Blitz, it will never be balanced due to the alpha and pen.      
    To really balance the 183 it needs to lose the HESH.   Then one can look at fixing it. 
 

 

Are you suggesting that WG just make up a tank and stick it at the end of a tech tree?

 

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View Post_Crusader6_, on 17 November 2020 - 08:41 AM, said:

 


I think most of us wished the Badger had straight up replaced the 183.   
 

That ship sailed though.  
   You could legit give the Tort more armor, some spaced armor and a bit more mobility and DPM and call it the Super Tortoise and replace the 183.  
 
The 183 doesn’t fit Blitz, it will never be balanced due to the alpha and pen.      
    To really balance the 183 it needs to lose the HESH.   Then one can look at fixing it. 
 

I completely agree that the 183 doesn't fit. but the whole reason it hasn't happened is because of the fact that they could make money out of this... Both ways. People would drop hundreds to buy the badger and extra hundreds to get the 183. But old WoTB was greatly, greatly, influenced by old WoT PC. 


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People love derp guns and as crappy as the 183 is, folks still want to play it bc of its derp. I agree with Cru though that it could be balanced if HESH was removed making it a less armored Jg E100 with a half useable turret.

As for the Smasher - it’s my most played tank and it is 100% broken. Not bc it has a derp gun, but bc it has a derp gun with decent gun handling stats, crazy HEAT pen and it’s at tier 7. Yes, good players can counter it, but that’s true for any tank.

Here’s the caveat though - just bc it’s a broken tank doesn’t mean it’s bad for the game or breaks the game. Missiles were bad for the game...really strong tanks are not. They drive revenue and interest and while they’re potentially frustrating for less skilled players, I can honestly say that I never see a tank on the other team and think “oh no, they have an XXX.” I’m far more concerned about the players on the other team than the specific tanks.

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