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[WhiteFury]

Just looking at some raw stats (with full provisions):

DPM: 2709

Penetration: 170

Aim time (WoTB Compare is still off but good enough to make my point): 1.68 sec

Speed (F/R, kph): 35/15

HP:1500

Hull/Turret Traverse (deg/sec): 29.2/39.63 

Turret/Hull Armor: 208/120

 

Now lets look at a mediocre T8 Heavy

 VK 45.02 A

DPM: 2270

Penetration: 215

Aim time: 1.87 sec

Speed (F/R, kph): 38/16

HP: 1750

Hull/Turret Traverse (deg/sec): 49.3/29.16 

Turret/Hull Armor: 192/125

 

Now a really a good T8 Heavy

Emil I

DPM: 2075

Penetration: 217

Aim time: 1.99 sec

Speed (F/R, kph): 35/20

HP: 1750

Hull/Turret Traverse (deg/sec): 30.17/24.82 

Turret/Hull Armor: 187/130

 

I know there is a lot more than just these hard stats (like armor angles, weak spots...etc). My point is that throw on an extra 200 HP, 30 more pen, and change nothing else and the Annihilator is a competitive if still not slightly OP T8 heavy. This thing has the second best DPM of all the T7 heavies, insane aim time for something that does 630 damage, average speed for a heavy (key phrase here being "average", not the slowest), a basically impenetrable turret and upper plate, and a turret traverse speed that can fend off FREAKING lights.

 

Even though the Smasher is known to be game breaking, I've only found it to be an occasional annoyance because it's rather rare. The problem comes when there are 2 Annihilators on EACH team basically 1 out of 5 games. When I see more Annihilators on the other team, I almost just give up (though my hatred for Annihilators still drive me enough that I take every chance to destroy them). Especially if they are platooned and work together, they can take out a freaking T7 heavy with a slightly-better-than-average burst from each. The worst is when the red team has two platooned Annihilators and you have none, which happens more than it should.

 

Even when I'm in a T8 tank (especially in mediums), I treat them like T8s because their insane turret traverse. If you are in anything slower than a LTTB, that turret will catch up to you eventually. I'm not even that careful with a Smasher because I know that they have a such a slow Turret traverse and circling them is not a huge issue.

 

I propose two solutions:

1. Nerf the turret traverse, the aim time, and maybe the accuracy. Nothing dramatic, but for something that does 630 average damage, the accuracy shouldn't allow it to land all three shells at 100m and keep up with lights circling them. Maybe something like 30 deg/sec and 2 sec aim time (the Tiger 1 has 2.36 sec aim time for crying out loud).

 

2. WG cared so much about balance that they brought missiles into the game. (BTW I don't believe missiles were that OP. Sure, they had their moments but nothing game breaking especially after all their nerfs, but that's another topic for another time.) Then they said "Ok lets only allow missiles for special events". THERE'S THE ANSWER TOO ALL THE PROBLEMS. Only allow the Annihilators for special events, problem solved.

 

I really like this game, its one of the only few games that I've actually enjoyed playing that's why I am complaining. When something makes you despair even before the game starts, you know there's something wrong. I don't have the time and money to buy every single take and complete every mission so it takes me some time to grind up the tech trees. Then I hit T6 (where I can be potentially one shotted), T7, and T8 where I have to face these behemoths every other game, it nearly breaks my will to play this game. 

 

WG if you love your game and players who have spent money on your game as I have, PLEASE DO SOMETHING!

[krietenstein34]

Do you have one ? 

[Mika_The_Vampire]

krietenstein34, on 16 December 2020 - 03:14 AM, said:

Do you have one ? 

i want 1

 

tbh they are very easy to kill as long as your smart. i have killed plenty in my KV-1S, KV-3 and KV-2.

[andyllinger]

I feel and do a lot better in my smasher, annihilator is often power creeped by that third shot missing 8 out 10 times, you have to be really close to get those 3 shots to penetrate, on the other hand, smasher can blow up a lot of tanks with one well placed HE shot. 

[_Crusader6_]

Mod note: I edited the title. 
 

Yes it is a broken tank. 
 

The Vk45.02A however is a slow medium that got a heavy HP buff, it’s a poor comparison. 
 

My argument for the Annihilator being broken is the fact it has better than Tiger I DPM, better mobility (it can use both super and normal speed boosts), and the Tiger I is a pretty OP tier 7 at the moment. 
 

The only areas where the Annihilator falls flat is when facing tier 8 heavies that have armor that can bounce it. 
 

The upside of the Annihilator is for $4.99 (or whatever the BattlePass was/is) anyone could own their own little broken tier 7 mayhem wagon. 

   

[RonaldusMaximus_]

krietenstein34, on 15 December 2020 - 10:14 PM, said:

Do you have one ? 

 

He does not.

 

Hater

[RonaldusMaximus_]

_Crusader6_, on 15 December 2020 - 10:43 PM, said:

Mod note: I edited the title. 
 

Yes it is a broken tank. 
 

The Vk45.02A however is a slow medium that got a heavy HP buff, it’s a poor comparison. 
 

My argument for the Annihilator being broken is the fact it has better than Tiger I DPM, better mobility (it can use both super and normal speed boosts), and the Tiger I is a pretty OP tier 7 at the moment. 
 

The only areas where the Annihilator falls flat is when facing tier 8 heavies that have armor that can bounce it. 
 

The upside of the Annihilator is for $4.99 (or whatever the BattlePass was/is) anyone could own their own little broken tier 7 mayhem wagon. 

   

 

The Annihilator was NOT part of a Battle pass

It was part of the Burning Games event.

It was $20, not $5.00

[krietenstein34]

RonaldusMaximus_, on 15 December 2020 - 10:45 PM, said:

 

The Annihilator was NOT part of a Battle pass

It was part of the Burning Games event.

It was $20, not $5.00

Are you sure ?????   I musta been hammered to spend 20 bucks

[_Crusader6_]

RonaldusMaximus_, on 15 December 2020 - 10:45 PM, said:

 

The Annihilator was NOT part of a Battle pass

It was part of the Burning Games event.

It was $20, not $5.00

I stand corrected. 
   Al these events and tanks are hard to separate these days. 

[Kiwi_Kebab]

RonaldusMaximus_, on 15 December 2020 - 09:45 PM, said:

 

The Annihilator was NOT part of a Battle pass

It was part of the Burning Games event.

It was $20, not $5.00

Regardless of the price, it's probably the most played tank this update, period. It's an ugly, eye-sore of a tank that has the DPM of a TD to go with a useable armor profile and an enhanced speed boost. 

 

I don't mind the tank by itself; I despise the spam. 

[KempBushThe3rd]

RonaldusMaximus_, on 15 December 2020 - 10:45 PM, said:

The Annihilator was NOT part of a Battle pass

It was part of the Burning Games event.

It was $20, not $5.00

 

I could've sworn it was $10. I specifically remember it being double the price of a normal battle pass.

[krietenstein34]

KempBushThe3rd, on 15 December 2020 - 10:53 PM, said:

 

I could've sworn it was $10. I specifically remember it being double the price of a normal battle pass.

I remember the SPIKE...... For like 5 bucks.    Also, I can't see myself "grinding" to get the Annihilator.......   Just something I don't do anymore, but I have the tank. I've only played it 16 times in normal stat battles.   It must be kinda OP,  cause I seem to do ok in it

 

Edited by krietenstein34, 16 December 2020 - 04:00 AM.

[LordDumptruck]

One of the technical aspects of the annihilator that makes it superior is that it has three chances to do module and crew damage, vice just the one chance like other tanks. If you pen all three shots into an ammo rack, there’s about a one in three chance of causing an ammo rack detonation. Same for causing engine fires and all the same. The annihilator is one of, if not the, most repair kit intensive tanks to face. 

[wrecker1968]

I almost never tell players to spend money on this game. But during that event I told players ,clan members and the forum To spend money on that tank.

 So you missed your opportunity and now you're pi$$ed off at the world?

 I missed out on the Dracula, helsing and the smasher. Should I ask WG to do something about that?

[MarBearCat]

I don't mean to be so bold but there is

not a tier 8 heavy in my garage that fears

1 Annihilator.  

 

 

Meow!

[Kiwi_Kebab]

wrecker1968, on 15 December 2020 - 10:41 PM, said:

I almost never tell players to spend money on this game. But during that event I told players ,clan members and the forum To spend money on that tank.

 So you missed your opportunity and now you're pi$$ed off at the world?

 I missed out on the Dracula, helsing and the smasher. Should I ask WG to do something about that?

All tanks that should not be in the game, the Drac being the most inoffensive of the bunch. OP doesn't want an Annihilator, clearly

[thenerfdude]

I would just want the turret traverse to be nerfed, I tried to cirlce one the other day in an amx 13 57 and i swear the turret on that thing was going faster than me

[minitel_NA]

Annihilator is game breaking in every aspect you may look at it.

There is no need to look at stats. Every other game a sub 50%er makes 2.5k damage and they consistently get top result.

But that was the pont.

And, seeing how many there are, wargaming must be satisfied of the effect.


hate them to the core. The frontal armor is strong especially the turret, which you may combine with the traverse, Which means even light tanks can’t flank them or own them. At least the (formerly broken) van helsing has horrible turret traverse. The 3 shots means that contrarily to derp, you will most likely receive some of it, and contrarily to clippers, you can’t hide Or angle much after he first shot, you are going to take them all.

Now there is a single antidote, it’s to fight them from afar. They have horrible dispersion But that makes it difficult to have their rear or aime at their weak points if they are looking for you.

The solution for me :
After wg removed tiers 12345
It’s to also give up 6 and 7
And go Play tier 8-9-10

Basically WG made 70% of their game ugly.
But that made them a good income, for one year.
I want o believe tier 8 is immune, but you Already have obj252 and wz120gft. Im sure what can come up with something worst, like they did on PC.

[Raulmacca]

my newest solution for the Annihilator problem is make ammo horrendously expensive, if people lost 30-50k a game they would soon start to limit how often they played it.

[Mako__Reizei___]

hobblegoat, on 16 December 2020 - 06:12 AM, said:

my newest solution for the Annihilator problem is make ammo horrendously expensive, if people lost 30-50k a game they would soon start to limit how often they played it.

That won't solve the problem. I can easily make 150k per battle in Lowe and I'm sure those who are better than me can do 200k fairly consistently.