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Complete Breakdown: Icebreaker vs. Tiger 131 vs. Kuro Mori Mine SP

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Markus_The0 #1 Posted 02 January 2021 - 03:43 PM

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Howdy there! Happy new year!! :)

 

It's time for the new battle pass season, so, here's a handy breakdown of how the three mini-Tiger 1's of tier 6, the Icebreaker, Tiger 131, and Kuro Mori Mine SP compare to each other:

 

While these three tier 6 beasts may look fairly similar to each other, each tank has its own special attributes--one is best suited to history fans, another best suited to nostalgic collectors, and the final suited to best compete in today's tier 6 meta.

 

The Collector tank, Kuro Mori Mine, from the Girls und Panzer (GuP) series, has the best mobility, clocking in with a bit higher effective power to weight ration than either of its Tiger-esque siblings. It's got better armor than the Tiger 131 by a slight margin (Kuro has 86mm of armor on the side, 62mm of armor on the side behind the tracks, while Tiger 131 has 80mm of side armor, and 60mm of armor below the tracks). The area of the turret that actually has armor behind the gun mantlet is also a little larger on the Kuro than it is on the Tiger 131.

 

The Tiger 131, a major, real-life star from the Bovington Tank Museum in the UK, is clearly the most realistic of the three, and also earns better credits, at 145% credit coefficient, vs. the Kuro's credit coefficient which sits at 94%. Both tanks have the same repair cost factor. So you'll make a lot more credits in the Tiger 131 than the Kuro, although I do routinely still break even and make a small number of credits (even without premium time) in my Kuro. A few other details make the Tiger 131's armor profile unique. Among these three mini Tiger 1's, the 131 has the best armored hatch (about 185mm of effective armor or higher is about all that's visible when you're hull down using full gun depression, vs. about 100mm of effective armor on the Kuro and 110mm of effective armor on the Icebreaker when they're in the same position). So, at least for regular matches, the Tiger 131 may be the very best tank of the three for going hull down + gun depression, because very, very few tanks will have both the accuracy and precision to pen your hatch, and many people won't know what area of the gun mantlet to shoot for in order to penetrate. (The Kuro and the Icebreaker, while they do have more armor behind their gun mantlets, have hatches that stick up further when they're hull down and can be penetrated pretty reliably by even tier 5 guns if you aim semi-carefully.) One last helpful design element on the Tiger 131 is that it has a perfectly flat lower front plate, as opposed to the Kuro, which includes in the armor profile two small areas where each of the front drive wheels attach to the hull, resulting in small spots sticking off the front of the tank that are penetrable (if someone aims carefully) when you're poking out from a corner with only your front showing trying to bait and bounce shots.

 

Operation Eternal Winter's Icebreaker has 5 more mm of penetration with AP and APCR than its brother and sister tanks, the Tiger 131 and the Kuro. It also has 10 more mm of armor on its lower plate and (we'll have to confirm these following details because blitzhanger.com isn't always right when they first release update details) 50 more mm of armor on its upper plate (which, in total, makes its frontal armor thicknesses quite similar to the VK 36.01 H), 80mm of armor behind its tracks (instead of Kuro's 62mm or Tiger 131's 60mm), and no area behind the gun mantlet that doesn't have armor (making for a very strong turret indeed). If someone could confirm that BlitzHanger's armor profile info is accurate, we would all be most thankful. The Icebreaker should have a credit coefficient of 145%, if tradition holds true, as the Thunder, Eraser, Agent, and Rudolph all have a 145% credit coefficient. Lastly, the Icebreaker has that same, sweet, flat lower front plate armor model that the Tiger 131 does.

 

Bottom line: All three tanks can be competitive and fun. For example, I still do well in my Kuro, even though the battlefield has really changed since it was first introduced. That said, due to the heavy tanks buffs and the massive number of Annihilators still currently roaming matches, the Kuro and 131 aren't as strong at tier 6 as they were. The Icebreaker has plenty of armor for today's meta, a tiny boost to AP and APCR to boot, and should make nice credits. I'd say the era of the Icebreaker has begun! I do hope War Gaming will consider giving the 131 and Kuro some more love if they start to really lag behind the Icebreaker in performance stats, though.

 

Happy New Year, everybody!


Edited by Markus_The0, 02 January 2021 - 10:49 PM.

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Say hello to powercreep tier 6.

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Nice breakdown! Thanks for that. :great:
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Cool. For some reason, I feel like the color scheme used on Kuro Mori Mine is more realistic to the actual Tiger 131 than the current camo in game but that is just my opinion.

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Nice breakdown.  I wonder how the icebreaker would compare to the arl and the vk-something-h?

 

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View Post_Cletus, on 02 January 2021 - 10:57 AM, said:

Nice breakdown.  I wonder how the icebreaker would compare to the arl and the vk-something-h?

VK 36.01 (H)

 

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VK still looks better. similar gun stats, and Icebreaker may have a small armor advantage, but the Vk goes 51 as opposed to 40, with a smaller profile, so that gives it the edge.

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The icebreaker looks disgusting

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View PostCommanderSean_2014, on 02 January 2021 - 11:57 AM, said:

The icebreaker looks disgusting

Good to see that someone shares my sentiment.



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Nice breakdown. Also has everyone forgotten the Thunder? KV broomstick with gun depression, yes please!

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View Posttwirlingtowardsfreedom, on 02 January 2021 - 12:38 PM, said:

Nice breakdown. Also has everyone forgotten the Thunder? KV broomstick with gun depression, yes please!


I think the Thunder is underrated by a lot of players. That 400 alpha gun feels so nice when it hits the enemy, but the reload is nearly as long as a KV-2 and the accuracy is poor. The ability to work ridge lines and it’s decent armor are what make it a force to be reckoned with.


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View Post_BobaFett, on 02 January 2021 - 10:46 AM, said:

Say hello to powercreep tier 6.

 

Mm, probably. But let's wait and see if they buff the 131 and Kuro a little ways down the road. Both of those are premium/collector tanks that they like to sell.

 

View PostBAR_001, on 02 January 2021 - 10:55 AM, said:

Nice breakdown! Thanks for that. :great:

 

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View PostRedOctopus, on 02 January 2021 - 10:56 AM, said:

Cool. For some reason, I feel like the color scheme used on Kuro Mori Mine is more realistic to the actual Tiger 131 than the current camo in game but that is just my opinion.

 

I agree with that :)

 

View Post_Cletus, on 02 January 2021 - 10:57 AM, said:

Nice breakdown.  I wonder how the icebreaker would compare to the arl and the vk-something-h?

 

Thanks! Right off the bat, I can say that the VK 36.01 H you reference has a very similar armor profile to the Icebreaker. The Icebreaker's upper front plate is 5mm thicker nominally, and it's lower front plate is about the same as the VK's when faced head on, on flat ground.

 

Comparing the ARL 44, VK 36.01 H, and the Icebreaker would be a really cool discussion topic, though--without studying out some things I don't feel prepared to discuss that in-depth here, but, personally, from what I've seen on the battlefield and from what I've seen of the Icebreaker, I think the Icebreaker will be a top quality tier 6, along with the VK and ARL.


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View PostCommanderSean_2014, on 02 January 2021 - 10:57 AM, said:

The icebreaker looks disgusting


All German tanks apart from the E50s and Grille do.


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View PostNoob666_, on 02 January 2021 - 03:25 PM, said:


All German tanks apart from the E50s and Grille do.


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View PostMarkus_The0, on 02 January 2021 - 05:56 PM, said:

Comparing the ARL 44, VK 36.01 H, and the Icebreaker would be a really cool discussion topic, though--without studying out some things I don't feel prepared to discuss that in-depth here, but, personally, from what I've seen on the battlefield and from what I've seen of the Icebreaker, I think the Icebreaker will be a top quality tier 6, along with the VK and ARL.

Off the bat, I know the ARL is going to have an easier time penning the icebreaker with its 90 mm gun than its 105. I drive my vk3601h a lot, and of the tier 6 heavies I give the most respect to the ARL because it can quite easily pen my armor profile while I have more difficulty penning it’s armor profile without sacrificing dpm and just switching to apcr. It’ll be interesting to see how the icebreaker shakes out. 
 

edit: I run the 88 rather than the 75 waffe on the vk36, I lose the pen but I get the HE rounds which I actually put to use fairly frequently. 


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View PostNoob666_, on 02 January 2021 - 03:25 PM, said:


All German tanks apart from the E50s and Grille do.

 

Personally, I think a lot of tanks look cool. But beauty is, indeed, in the eye of the beholder! :)


Edited by Markus_The0, 02 January 2021 - 09:03 PM.

It's not the RNG, the MM, the diameter of your shell, the thickness of your armor, or the number of premium rounds you carry that counts ultimately; it's the courage in your heart, the calmness in your mind, the hope and faith you have in your team, and the way you use what's at your disposal that truly determines Victory.


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The icebreaker has a terrible power to weight and only 40km/h top speed. It’s much more of a traditional heavy than a tiger 1 style tank at tier 6.

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View PostPlayer_8289945279, on 02 January 2021 - 04:26 PM, said:

The icebreaker has a terrible power to weight and only 40km/h top speed. It’s much more of a traditional heavy than a tiger 1 style tank at tier 6.

 

I was merely comparing the Icebreaker's looks and shape and such to the Tiger 1 at tier VII. You are totally correct that it is very different in terms of stats than the Tiger 1, definitely agree there!

 

View PostRonaldusMaximus_, on 02 January 2021 - 04:33 PM, said:

I'm impressed with your summary Markusthe0

 

Thank you, sir! :)


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View PostRedOctopus, on 02 January 2021 - 02:35 PM, said:


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