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_Crusader6_ #41 Posted 27 January 2021 - 06:22 PM

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View PostJaq___, on 27 January 2021 - 11:28 AM, said:

Another piece of evidence that speaks to its OPness is that it isn't uncommon to see the Anni as the highest wr and and sometimes even avg dmg of every tank in someones garage, including tier x. 


The Lycan is my highest avg dmg tier 7, but yeah the Anni also beats out some of my X's for avg dmg, but not even close to the Emil 1951 


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View Post_Crusader6_, on 27 January 2021 - 06:22 PM, said:


The Lycan is my highest avg dmg tier 7, but yeah the Anni also beats out some of my X's for avg dmg, but not even close to the Emil 1951 

 

I am surprised to hear that. I have seen several Emil 1951's in battles but have never seen any of them do very well.


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View PostAdderaII, on 26 January 2021 - 02:30 PM, said:

HE red circles for a max roll almost every time.

 

 

 

Fake. Those circles are not present in-game.



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View Post_Crusader6_, on 26 January 2021 - 03:26 PM, said:

  The median avg dmg in tier X was 1,645 — I cried.  

 

FWLIW, my general rule of thumb for giving out thumbs ups for teammates is:

 

Tier 6 - 750 pen points or better

Tier 7 - 1000

Tier 8 - 1500

Tier 9 - 2000

Tier 10 - 2500

 

And there's all sorts of other modifying criteria, but that's the starting point.



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View PostAdderaII, on 26 January 2021 - 10:30 PM, said:

HE red circles for a max roll almost every time.

 

 

This is legit. Just a slight tilt to either side makes a nice juicy dark spot for the Smasher HE to feast on. Poking at that angle happens a lot when facing Annihilators especially when they peek to shoot from behind a building or obstacle.

 

 This is not HE pennable by every tank though. The Smasher has over 90mm of HE, most other tanks with less pen can’t ring the bell.


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OK, took it out for 10 games this morning to see if something has changed. Small number of games but its still a riot and very much OP. Its a total bully when top tier, and can very much hold it's own when bottom.  3200 avg dmg and 70%. Should have been 80% but I made a particular bone headed decision at the end of one game that I should have easily pulled out. 

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View PostJaq___, on 28 January 2021 - 05:58 PM, said:

OK, took it out for 10 games this morning to see if something has changed. Small number of games but its still a riot and very much OP. Its a total bully when top tier, and can very much hold it's own when bottom.  3200 avg dmg and 70%. Should have been 80% but I made a particular bone headed decision at the end of one game that I should have easily pulled out. 

Try playing it after 2pm CST.  You won't hit 70%..completely different playerbase after that time.  Not to say the tank isn't still OP...just not as OP during times when better players are out to counter it.



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View PostBellatormonk, on 28 January 2021 - 06:13 PM, said:

Try playing it after 2pm CST.  You won't hit 70%..completely different playerbase after that time.  Not to say the tank isn't still OP...just not as OP during times when better players are out to counter it.

 

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Anyone that says this tank isn’t completely OP and broken is insane. A platoon of these tanks running together is as close to actual P2W as it gets.

Given the sheer number of them in game and how crazy strong they are,  they’re100% impacting the game play at tiers 6-8 in a negative fashion.

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View PostZebraUp, on 27 January 2021 - 04:52 AM, said:

I've played the Annihilator a few times recently and honestly feel that it got a stealth nerf or something.. worse accuracy or perhaps it's just the matchmaking, but something seems less than it was.

 

Yeah.....a dispersion nerf?


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View PostBellatormonk, on 28 January 2021 - 06:13 PM, said:

Try playing it after 2pm CST.  You won't hit 70%..completely different playerbase after that time.  Not to say the tank isn't still OP...just not as OP during times when better players are out to counter it.

 

View PostYOLO_4_BOLO, on 28 January 2021 - 06:23 PM, said:

 

+1 I can affirm this is true

Interesting. I will make a new thread about this to see what others think, so make sure to comment there. So it may be easier before 3 pm. Does that count on weekends too? I had played it ~130 games on a weekend and had an 80% wr but only an avg dmg of 2415, which is much less than I had this morning, so maybe you're right..idk. 


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View Postj_rod, on 28 January 2021 - 01:49 PM, said:

Anyone that says this tank isn’t completely OP and broken is insane. A platoon of these tanks running together is as close to actual P2W as it gets.

Given the sheer number of them in game and how crazy strong they are, they’re100% impacting the game play at tiers 6-8 in a negative fashion.

 

Not for me.


 


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View PostJaq___, on 28 January 2021 - 07:11 PM, said:

 

Interesting. I will make a new thread about this to see what others think, so make sure to comment there. So it may be easier before 3 pm. Does that count on weekends too? I had played it ~130 games on a weekend and had an 80% wr but only an avg dmg of 2415, which is much less than I had this morning, so maybe you're right..idk. 

Weekends...are well weekends.  I truly believe there are more and worse players on the weekends so perhaps you are able to farm them more.  I know weekdays, as I play almost every weekday before 2pm CST and then after 6pm CST.  Completely different WR and team compositions for me.  Mornings for me are filled with almost nothing but 45%er and less.  After that (I assume because School is out) I see the 50%+ players on both teams and the matches are more even.

Today though...lol...doesn't matter how much damage I do...I cannot account for 5 people on green barely breaking 500dmg each and at least 2 doing 0 for every match I have played today.  It seems to me as well that from about 2pm-6pm there are large numbers of LATAM players which is odd because they are basically in the same time zones as U.S.  Not sure what a typical LATAM work/school day is to account for such large amounts of them playing at that time.



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View PostRonaldusMaximus_, on 28 January 2021 - 01:16 PM, said:

 

Not for me.


I’m not where I can break down the exact difference, but you’re about 10% and 700 damage higher than the rest of your tier 7 tanks over the last 30 days. Your KDR is 3x the average of your other tier 7 tanks.

 

 I’d say it’s pretty broken for you too bro bro


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View Postj_rod, on 28 January 2021 - 02:58 PM, said:


I’m not where I can break down the exact difference, but you’re about 10% and 700 damage higher than the rest of your tier 7 tanks over the last 30 days. Your KDR is 3x the average of your other tier 7 tanks.

 

 I’d say it’s pretty broken for you too bro bro

 

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View PostBellatormonk, on 28 January 2021 - 07:48 PM, said:

Weekends...are well weekends.  I truly believe there are more and worse players on the weekends so perhaps you are able to farm them more.  I know weekdays, as I play almost every weekday before 2pm CST and then after 6pm CST.  Completely different WR and team compositions for me.  Mornings for me are filled with almost nothing but 45%er and less.  After that (I assume because School is out) I see the 50%+ players on both teams and the matches are more even.

Today though...lol...doesn't matter how much damage I do...I cannot account for 5 people on green barely breaking 500dmg each and at least 2 doing 0 for every match I have played today.  It seems to me as well that from about 2pm-6pm there are large numbers of LATAM players which is odd because they are basically in the same time zones as U.S.  Not sure what a typical LATAM work/school day is to account for such large amounts of them playing at that time.

 

Another +1 for Bellatormonk's comment. Weekends are a totally different story. Just expect crap teams on the weekends regardless of what time of day it is.


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time of day experience is a bit iffy. both teams get these bad or good players(with a 6k population on at once, i would say less than 500 are actually good) in fact, your team can only get 6 bad players while the enemy team can get 7. unless you're a bad player yourself then the other team has the numbers advantage for good players.

 

if you're an average+ player, more bad players means more farm as the enemy team has 1 extra slot for more bad players than your own. over an extended period of games this equals games won that would have been lost and more shells hit.


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View PostYOLO_4_BOLO, on 26 January 2021 - 07:59 PM, said:

 

600? When I drive an Annihilator, I am always tooned up with another Annihilator that is on comms with me. We stick together and coordinate our attacks with 1-2 punches for 1200+/- damage. The other day we played Hellas and started on the B side. As soon as the game started, he hit our Improved Engine Power Boost and made a bee line for the Cap. As we passed the canal, I spotted a Red tank was on the opposite side going for A. We both laid into him and connected all 6 rounds for 1200 damage. Needless to say that tanker popped his turret before he even made it to the Cap. He never even got a shot off.

 

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This thread has gotten a bit out of hand, I never meant to imply that the Annihilator isn't op, just that it is manageable now to the point where it is no longer broken. Still a crazy powerful and overcooked tank, but no longer as game breaking as it was originally

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View PostGojira1150, on 01 February 2021 - 08:58 PM, said:

This thread has gotten a bit out of hand, I never meant to imply that the Annihilator isn't op, just that it is manageable now to the point where it is no longer broken. Still a crazy powerful and overcooked tank, but no longer as game breaking as it was originally


I’ve been tracking players that play the Annihilator and they are averaging 12% higher in this tank against their average winrate and 500 damage higher against their tier 7 average damage. The only reason it may seem less game breaking is that it appears MM has been tweaked so it’s low tier more often. But guess what? It doesn’t f*cking matter bc it’s basically a tier 8 tank anyways.

 

Hey WG, if you can hear me, I promise to never play the Smasher again if you nerf this travesty of a tank. Also, kindly do something about the AFKs and VLWs while you’re at it. 
 

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