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fish69_iron #1 Posted 10 January 2022 - 03:01 AM

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Can....HE shells ricochet in this game? or i have just encountered weird bugs lately?

So, i was playing with my P 43 Bis (absolutely gorgeous tank) , and then i was face to face to a KV-2. I started wiggling a bit in hopes that he missed the shot. But he did land it on me...it just ...didn't even do splash damage? Maybe it didn't pen or something but there wasn't even splash damage, and i was facing front to him on a medium tank... Is this a bug or is it somehow possible it can happen? 

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Very possible they hit the track, some spaced armor, or maybe even your gun itself. The game does program hitboxes to account for mitigated effects from certain damage, and this includes both HE and HEAT rounds.

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screenshot shows that you bounced a 640 dmg shot, which says to me that the KV-2 shot at you with AP.

 

but yeah, zero damage HE hits are real - even for the biggest guns in the game. 

 

 

 


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View Postfish69_iron, on 09 January 2022 - 10:01 PM, said:

Can....HE shells ricochet in this game? or i have just encountered weird bugs lately?

So, i was playing with my P 43 Bis (absolutely gorgeous tank) , and then i was face to face to a KV-2. I started wiggling a bit in hopes that he missed the shot. But he did land it on me...it just ...didn't even do splash damage? Maybe it didn't pen or something but there wasn't even splash damage, and i was facing front to him on a medium tank... Is this a bug or is it somehow possible it can happen? 

1. It is not possible for HE shells to "ricochet". This is a little semantic, but the word "ricochet" refers to the game mechanic where AP and APCR shells will automatically bounce off armor that is sloped at 70 degrees or more. 
2. It is possible for HE shells to do 0 damage. There are 2 ways this usually happens. Either the shell hits a piece of armor with so much nominal thickness that it literally does 0 damage, or the shell explodes too far away from the primary armor. 

 

In this case, for a KV-2 shooting a P-43 bis, what likely happened is that the KV-2 hit the tip of your gun, causing the shell to explode too far away from your tank to deal damage. It happens. Just ask Grille 15 players


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YouTube embed appears to be broken. Go to 00:25 here  for a “Bounced Off!” HE shot from a Smasher onto the rear of an M41.

Edited by Meat_Locker, 27 January 2022 - 10:00 PM.


   

 

 

 


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View PostMeat_Locker, on 10 January 2022 - 06:02 AM, said:

YouTube embed appears to be broken. Go to 00:25 here  for a “Bounced Off!” HE shot from a Smasher onto the rear of an M41.
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I think “Bounced off” is what the crew says when the shot does zero damage - it’s not a reflection of the actual thing that happened. More likely it seems that the smasher shot the train carriage or ground and the splash didn’t pen. 


Edited by __V_O_P__, 10 January 2022 - 11:21 AM.


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View Post__V_O_P__, on 10 January 2022 - 06:20 AM, said:


I think “Bounced off” is what the crew says when the shot does zero damage - it’s not a reflection of the actual thing that happened. More likely it seems that the smasher shot the train carriage or ground and the splash didn’t pen. 


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But it wouldn’t say, “Bounced Off” if it didn’t hit. Makes no sense :(


   

 

 

 


__V_O_P__ #9 Posted 10 January 2022 - 05:27 PM

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View PostMeat_Locker, on 10 January 2022 - 12:13 PM, said:

But it wouldn’t say, “Bounced Off” if it didn’t hit. Makes no sense :(


it shouldn’t but it does. I guess they just have a list of “things crews can say” and “bounced” somehow ended up in the HE list ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 



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What weirds me out is the fact that i did hear the ricochet sound , but also the explosion one, so it is kind of weird for me that this had happened, but thanks for the answers

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View PostPosit1ve_, on 10 January 2022 - 02:34 AM, said:

1. It is not possible for HE shells to "ricochet". This is a little semantic, but the word "ricochet" refers to the game mechanic where AP and APCR shells will automatically bounce off armor that is sloped at 70 degrees or more. 
2. It is possible for HE shells to do 0 damage. There are 2 ways this usually happens. Either the shell hits a piece of armor with so much nominal thickness that it literally does 0 damage, or the shell explodes too far away from the primary armor. 

 

In this case, for a KV-2 shooting a P-43 bis, what likely happened is that the KV-2 hit the tip of your gun, causing the shell to explode too far away from your tank to deal damage. It happens. Just ask Grille 15 players

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View Postfish69_iron, on 10 January 2022 - 01:12 PM, said:

What weirds me out is the fact that i did hear the ricochet sound , but also the explosion one, so it is kind of weird for me that this had happened, but thanks for the answers

could've been his tank exploding? looks like y'all must've fired at basically the same time


View Post_YSoSerious, on 03 November 2021 - 10:33 PM, said:

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