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LittleLovelyGuyFromSpace #101 Posted 05 February 2015 - 06:31 AM

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View Postoriginalmadkilla, on 05 February 2015 - 06:26 AM, said:

 

That sounds like a good idea! 

 

I don't have much more to add to this thread. In the end, all final decisions lie with face4stats, as he's the one making it and doing all of the work. I look forward to seeing the first version of this system when it's completed.

 

The first stage is now complete. The averages for all the tanks are not calculated.

 

Go to this page and see how each tank performs in average.

 

I am NOT hundred % certain that numbers are accurate. They look a bit high to me. May be there is coding flow. It is very likely I will need to change something and recalculate it from scratch but that is the beginning.



SkiFletch #102 Posted 05 February 2015 - 06:32 AM

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I guess I'll just keep collecting data and can hopefully answer some of these "talking out our rears" points regarding platoons.  Only data can back up any of your beliefs on whether tooning gives you a win rate, OR damage bonus.  Since the API doesn't give it to us, I'll have to do it the old fashioned way, manually.


mehliveat #103 Posted 05 February 2015 - 06:35 AM

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View Postface4stas, on 05 February 2015 - 03:53 PM, said:

 

Platoons let you fix many matchmaking problems. If you play a Panther and platoon with a T29 then your winrate become a function of the T29 performance.

 

T29 average win rate is 55.16 in NA server when Panther has only 44.97.  Sorry but playing a Panther solo or in a platoon with a heavy are completely different stories.

 

 

Wow, thats quite a difference, I don't feel so bad of my craptasitic Panther run now.

 

Do you mind putting up some of the raw data such as the above?  Average WR and Average damage for the individual tanks.  It will be an interesting read.

 

Personally, I think having average damage per tank data will help more a player on an individual level.  It lets them know whether they are doing enough, and whether there is room for improvement. 

 

For example, my IS8 is at 48 WR with about 1700 odd damage, I know the damage is probably 300 shy of par score.  (2k seems to be the benchmark for tier 9s)  But I have seen IS8s with 60% WR and about 1500 damage.  It might just be luck, or I might not be making the right strategic moves, doing more damage but not securing the win.

 

EDIT:  Well that was fast.  :D

 

Good job.


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View Postmehliveat, on 05 February 2015 - 06:35 AM, said:

 

Wow, thats quite a difference, I don't feel so bad of my craptasitic Panther run now.

 

Do you mind putting up some of the raw data such as the above?  Average WR and Average damage for the individual tanks.  It will be an interesting read.

 

EDIT:  Well that was fast.  :D

 

Good job.

 

It is already available. Just follow the link.

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View Postface4stas, on 05 February 2015 - 06:31 AM, said:

 

The first stage is now complete. The averages for all the tanks are not calculated.

 

Go to this page and see how each tank performs in average.

 

I am NOT hundred % certain that numbers are accurate. They look a bit high to me. May be there is coding flow. It is very likely I will need to change something and recalculate it from scratch but that is the beginning.

 

Looking good!

 

It's interesting to see how thousands of players own lower tier tanks, while only hundreds own higher tiers, like tier X. 

mehliveat #106 Posted 05 February 2015 - 06:41 AM

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View Postface4stas, on 05 February 2015 - 04:39 PM, said:

 

It is already available. Just follow the link.

 

Yeah, I saw your post right after I posted.

 

Thanks.



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View Postface4stas, on 05 February 2015 - 06:31 AM, said:

 

The first stage is now complete. The averages for all the tanks are not calculated.

 

Go to this page and see how each tank performs in average.

 

I am NOT hundred % certain that numbers are accurate. They look a bit high to me. May be there is coding flow. It is very likely I will need to change something and recalculate it from scratch but that is the beginning.

 

Interesting data there by itself.  Looks like the average player is NOT good in mediums.  Surprise...  Some tanks though, wow.  Proves that the Lowe and Dicker Max SUCK.  Also shines light on the T-34 vs IS-6 debate.  IS-6 wins more and more average damage, though possibly negated by premium shell need.

 



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Wow.  Poor Germans.  8 out of the 10 lowest WRs on NA and EU......

 

Even worse on SEA with 10 out of the 10 lowest...


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I find it hard to believe that this data is accurate as winrate looks too high for me for been average. I need to double check everything.

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View Postface4stas, on 05 February 2015 - 06:55 AM, said:

I find it hard to believe that this data is accurate as winrate looks too high for me for been average. I need to double check everything.

 

I see what you mean. Even when you just look at the lowest tiers, where there are thousands of players who own a particular tank, they all have win rates in the fifties to mid fifties. That seems a bit too good to be true.

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View Postface4stas, on 05 February 2015 - 04:55 PM, said:

I find it hard to believe that this data is accurate as winrate looks too high for me for been average. I need to double check everything.

 

The couple of tank stats that I looked at seems reasonable enough when compared to my own numbers.  I am a 55% global and my stats across most tanks are a bit higher than the average.  Take Tiger II as an example.  I am on 52 with about 1400 damage.  The average is 48 with about 1250.  Similarly with IS3, I am at 60% and 1750 average damage, the average is about 55 and 1500 average damage.

 

Seems plausible enough.



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View Postoriginalmadkilla, on 05 February 2015 - 06:59 AM, said:

 

I see what you mean. Even when you just look at the lowest tiers, where there are thousands of players who own a particular tank, they all have win rates in the fifties to mid fifties. That seems a bit too good to be true.

 

exactly. Also what is Pz.Kpfw. S35 739 (f) ? Never seen this tank. What is that and why it has the highest average winrate ?

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View Postoriginalmadkilla, on 05 February 2015 - 04:59 PM, said:

 

I see what you mean. Even when you just look at the lowest tiers, where there are thousands of players who own a particular tank, they all have win rates in the fifties to mid fifties. That seems a bit too good to be true.

 

Just noticed it myself, I was look at the higher tiers and comparing to my stats.  But yeah, the lower tiers seems a bit funny.

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View Postface4stas, on 05 February 2015 - 05:02 PM, said:

 

exactly. Also what is Pz.Kpfw. S35 739 (f) ? Never seen this tank. What is that and why it has the highest average winrate ?

 

Thats the new premium out last week.  I guess only a few skilled players bought it.  From the PC reviews, its a very formable tier 3, but struggles against higher tiers.

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View Postface4stas, on 05 February 2015 - 07:02 AM, said:

 

exactly. Also what is Pz.Kpfw. S35 739 (f) ? Never seen this tank. What is that and why it has the highest average winrate ?

 

It's a new premium that just came out recently. It's available in the shop.

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Thanks face, this data is awesome! It will be more interesting if we can see the percentiles, like how you have to do if you want to beat 90% of the T-62A drivers. I know the number of the players will be an issue, so maybe we can start with popular tanks.

 

 



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View Postface4stas, on 05 February 2015 - 02:02 AM, said:

 

exactly. Also what is Pz.Kpfw. S35 739 (f) ? Never seen this tank. What is that and why it has the highest average winrate ?

 

Not a bad tank truth be told. It is a bit too tall. It's armor is a bit too thin, and its a little to slow. Yet it still performs rather well. It's "more than meets the eye" I guess. 

 

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Very interesting, looks like the KV line is going to become very popular. I also don't think they are going to sell many more Lowes or Dickers :-) also shows the dominance of heavies vs mediums.

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View Postface4stas, on 05 February 2015 - 06:55 AM, said:

I find it hard to believe that this data is accurate as winrate looks too high for me for been average. I need to double check everything.

 

Shouldn't the battles be much higher than the players or am I misreading it?

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Not a bad tank truth be told. It is a bit too tall. It's armor is a bit too thin, and its a little to slow. Yet it still performs rather well. It's "more than meets the eye" I guess. 

 

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