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[bilbo11111]

Thanks for removing the top engine, and increasing the transverse speed, only to see it nerfed to 19 in 1.7  

[Rion12]

Because of all things that needed a nerf, it was German tanks.

 

And meds totally needed buffs.

 

I'm seriously beginning to question WG's balancing philosophy. Or just ability to balance.

 

Guess I'm kind of glad I stopped at the Tiger II since I got bored of it.

[Mr_BushyBeard]

Considering mediums are easier and more likely to YOLO die as most don't play them correctly, maybe WG saw the low survival stats of Mediums and wanted to "balance" them. 

 

?

[CptCheez]

I played my E75 a few times last night and honestly, the nerf in traverse speed doesn't really affect gameplay all that much.  Yeah sure, it looks horrible on paper, but when playing, you shouldn't really notice it.  It's not like you're doing Circles of Death in that thing anyway.

[bilbo11111]

CptCheez, on 25 February 2015 - 04:55 PM, said:

I played my E75 a few times last night and honestly, the nerf in traverse speed doesn't really affect gameplay all that much.  Yeah sure, it looks horrible on paper, but when playing, you shouldn't really notice it.  It's not like you're doing Circles of Death in that thing anyway.

 

it certainly affected my gameplay. I noticed it right away first few seconds. -7 transverse is a lot

[_Virtus]

Augustus_Sohn, on 25 February 2015 - 11:47 AM, said:

Considering mediums are easier and more likely to YOLO die as most don't play them correctly, maybe WG saw the low survival stats of Mediums and wanted to "balance" them. 

 

?

 

This

Most people that drive mediums suck, because they are not noob friendly. Most people on the forums are way above average, so they do better in mediums. Most medium drivers just get ripped to pieces when they get spotted.

[Camoisland]

felipethepato, on 25 February 2015 - 04:59 PM, said:

 

This

Most people that drive mediums suck, because they are not noob friendly. Most people on the forums are way above average, so they do better in mediums. Most medium drivers just get ripped to pieces when they get spotted.

 

yep, fighting mediums in heavies is hilarious 

 

the only thing that is more fun is picking on artillery (but thats a whole different story)

[glass2707]

CptCheez, on 25 February 2015 - 04:55 PM, said:

I played my E75 a few times last night and honestly, the nerf in traverse speed doesn't really affect gameplay all that much.  Yeah sure, it looks horrible on paper, but when playing, you shouldn't really notice it.  It's not like you're doing Circles of Death in that thing anyway.

 

+1

[TheBigHarryBear]

CptCheez, on 25 February 2015 - 09:55 AM, said:

I played my E75 a few times last night and honestly, the nerf in traverse speed doesn't really affect gameplay all that much.  Yeah sure, it looks horrible on paper, but when playing, you shouldn't really notice it.  It's not like you're doing Circles of Death in that thing anyway.

 

ONE CAN DREAM!! Can't we!

[1carburo]

I don't think the nerf is such a big deal. If anything, it helps balance a little the crew skills, which are much better for TDs and Heavies than for Meds.

The whole game design -small maps, small teams, short battle time- favors Heavies. A small nerf won't change that.

 

[bilbo11111]

1carburo, on 25 February 2015 - 06:50 PM, said:

I don't think the nerf is such a big deal. If anything, it helps balance a little the crew skills, which are much better for TDs and Heavies than for Meds.

The whole game design -small maps, small teams, short battle time- favors Heavies. A small nerf won't change that.

 

 

hmm, why don't we reduce the penetration and accuracy on TDs so we can balance them between heavies? oh and, that isn't a small nerf. removing top 1200 HP engine to 900 HP engine, increasing transverse speed instead to 26, then nerfing it down to 19, which is even slower then E100's transverse.

[CptCheez]

bilbo11111, on 25 February 2015 - 01:53 PM, said:

 

hmm, why don't we reduce the penetration and accuracy on TDs so we can balance them between heavies? oh and, that isn't a small nerf. removing top 1200 HP engine to 900 HP engine, increasing transverse speed instead to 26, then nerfing it down to 19, which is even slower then E100's transverse.

 

The engine change happened in the 1.5 update, as did the initial increase in traverse speed (from 16->26).  Now it's 19, which is still better than it was pre-1.5.  Clearly the developers thought that the initial increase was too much.  So now they've "balanced" it back down to 19.

[bilbo11111]

CptCheez, on 25 February 2015 - 07:17 PM, said:

 

The engine change happened in the 1.5 update, as did the initial increase in traverse speed (from 16->26).  Now it's 19, which is still better than it was pre-1.5.  Clearly the developers thought that the initial increase was too much.  So now they've "balanced" it back down to 19.

 

what? it was 16? i don't remember being that low 

[CptCheez]

bilbo11111, on 25 February 2015 - 02:26 PM, said:

 

what? it was 16? i don't remember being that low 

 

Yep, it's in the 1.5 Patch Notes.  And the stock suspension was originally 14:

http://forum.wotblitz.com/index.php?/topic/8407-official-150-patch-notes/

 

Е 75:
Traverse speed for E 75 suspension changed from 14 to 24°/s.
Traverse speed for E 75 Verstärkte Ketten suspension changed from 16 to 26°/s.

[bilbo11111]

welp, I feel that overall, losing the top engine just for merely 3 more transverse speed isn't worth it 

[CptCheez]

Losing the top engine in the E50 hurt a lot more, IMO.  The E75 is a lumbering beast.

[bilbo11111]

why'd they even remove it anyways? Was there a specific reason to?

[Serapth]

bilbo11111, on 25 February 2015 - 07:57 PM, said:

why'd they even remove it anyways? Was there a specific reason to?

 

Generally consensus seemed to be that the E50M was OP.  

 

Personally, knowing the crap you have to go through to get there... I thought this was fair...

 

Oh, and Russian bias of course.

[SkiFletch]

Serapth, on 25 February 2015 - 03:03 PM, said:

 

Generally consensus seemed to be that the E50M was OP.  

 

Personally, knowing the crap you have to go through to get there... I thought this was fair...

 

Oh, and Russian bias of course.

 

 E50 (not M) was changed.  The 50M hasn't been changed in the last 3 patches I think it is.  It still has the 1200HP engine.  They removed it from the 50 (tier IX) and the E75.  

[Serapth]

SkiFletch, on 25 February 2015 - 08:21 PM, said:

 

 E50 (not M) was changed.  The 50M hasn't been changed in the last 3 patches I think it is.  It still has the 1200HP engine.  They removed it from the 50 (tier IX) and the E75.  

 

Hmmm, perhaps I'm mixing them up.  I stalled on the line because of the hateful Panther 2, so was going off hearsay.  General consensus around the engine nerf was the tank was OP before and nerfed too heavily.  Again, I know the grind to get there so I have no issue with it being OP, it's a rough slog.