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Indiana__Jones #21 Posted 06 March 2015 - 06:00 PM

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View PostAPaperTiger, on 06 March 2015 - 05:40 PM, said:

 

This one in your DW2 is interesting to me, because it's the first one I've seen in which you did not survive the battle. Is there a deduction for dying, perhaps?

 

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CptCheez #22 Posted 06 March 2015 - 06:06 PM

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View Postblindsniper74, on 06 March 2015 - 12:16 PM, said:

 

Really?  Didn't work that way in my example... XP went 1094 to 1235 to 1127.  I absolutely certain these are in order.  I checked the times and did find this... The first two are 2/27 and the 3rd is on 2/28 (about 24 hrs later).  So they were not all on the same calendar day.  

 

It does work that way in your example.  It doesn't really matter what order they happened in.  What matters is all of the OTHER scores that were submitted in the last 7 days in that tank by other people.  Your 1235 was clearly in the top 99% if you got an Ace for it.  And so was your 1127.  They don't have to be on the same day. I'm not sure what's making you say/think that.  

 

They don't have to be THE highest score submitted in the last 7 days.  They just have to be in the top 99%.


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_SherlockHolmes_ #23 Posted 06 March 2015 - 06:12 PM

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I consider myself a decent MEDIUM driver, and I just had this Completely unexpected Mastery game in my T54, which i NEVER THOUGHT was possible for me:

 

Medals Page
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Edited by _SherlockHolmes_, 06 March 2015 - 06:13 PM.

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blindsniper74 #24 Posted 06 March 2015 - 06:14 PM

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View PostCptCheez, on 06 March 2015 - 06:06 PM, said:

 

It does work that way in your example.  It doesn't really matter what order they happened in.  What matters is all of the OTHER scores that were submitted in the last 7 days in that tank by other people.  Your 1235 was clearly in the top 99% if you got an Ace for it.  And so was your 1127.  They don't have to be on the same day. I'm not sure what's making you say/think that.  

 

They don't have to be THE highest score submitted in the last 7 days.  They just have to be in the top 99%.

 

I see your logic.  Isn't the 99% a moving target?  If players continually raise the bar, then the 99% "number" will rise as well.  I was thinking that the bar rose above the third score.  Must not have, by your thinking.


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View Postblindsniper74, on 06 March 2015 - 10:52 AM, said:

 

 

Awesome - thanks!

 

View PostFherot1, on 06 March 2015 - 11:06 AM, said:

 

 

View Postthieldke, on 06 March 2015 - 11:37 AM, said:

 

Got 'em - much appreciated

View PostAPaperTiger, on 06 March 2015 - 11:38 AM, said:

Here are mine. I'm happy to provide screenshots for verification, but it was easier to type these than to upload and copy-paste 20 links from imgur. Plus probably easier for you.

You seem trustworthy enough :)- got them entered 

 

View Postmjm68, on 06 March 2015 - 11:39 AM, said:

I only have the this pages for these the others are just the first screen.  I'll PM them to you if they will help.  Thank you for doing this extra work.

Cool - thanks!

 

Dang Sherlock - that is an amazing game.  Highest XP for the T-54 that I have so far (out of 8 total).

 

View Post_SherlockHolmes_, on 06 March 2015 - 12:12 PM, said:

I consider myself a decent MEDIUM driver, and I just had this Completely unexpected Mastery game in my T54, which i NEVER THOUGHT was possible for me:

 


 

 


CptCheez #26 Posted 06 March 2015 - 06:28 PM

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View Postblindsniper74, on 06 March 2015 - 01:14 PM, said:

I see your logic.  Isn't the 99% a moving target?  If players continually raise the bar, then the 99% "number" will rise as well.  I was thinking that the bar rose above the third score.  Must not have, by your thinking.

 

It's absolutely a moving target as the 7-day period rolls along, if it does indeed use a rolling period.  Some people believe it "resets" on a particular day of the week and uses those past 7 days' worth of scores.  I don't think WG has ever really responded definitively on which one it is, but the wording of the medal leads to believe it's the former.

 

Different people play at different times, so I don't think the bar continually raises.  It ebbs and flows like all things. :)


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_SherlockHolmes_ #27 Posted 06 March 2015 - 06:54 PM

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LOL I've kept screenshots of almost all my aces:

Below in two posts are 15 of my 25. 

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IS3
IS6 -1
IS6-2
IS6-3

 


Edited by _SherlockHolmes_, 06 March 2015 - 07:00 PM.

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Unlocked but not purchased:  T110E3, M48 Patton   •   JagE100, Maus, Leopard 1    •   IS-4, Obj 268    •   FV215 183mm        •      STB-1 

 


_SherlockHolmes_ #28 Posted 06 March 2015 - 06:59 PM

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Part 2 IS8
KV-3
KV-4
LTP
LTP 2
SU-152
T18
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Tiger 2

 


Edited by _SherlockHolmes_, 06 March 2015 - 06:59 PM.

In Garage:  T2 Light, M22 Locust, T34, M46, T95, T30, T110E4, T110E5   •  BT-SV, LTP, M3 Light, T-34-85 Victory, KV-3, SU-100M, Tankenstein, IS-3, IS-6, T-59, T-54, T-62A, IS-7   •   VK28,  Leopard, VK 30.02D, SP IC, RU 251, E50ME100    •  AT15, Centurion Mk. 7/1, FV4202, FV215b, Tortoise       •       Shinobi, Chi-Nu, Kuro, Chi-To,  Chi-Ri

Unlocked but not purchased:  T110E3, M48 Patton   •   JagE100, Maus, Leopard 1    •   IS-4, Obj 268    •   FV215 183mm        •      STB-1 

 


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View Postvanpeenen, on 06 March 2015 - 12:25 PM, said:

Dang Sherlock - that is an amazing game.  Highest XP for the T-54 that I have so far (out of 8 total).

 

Thanks Vanpeenen, It was truly an epic battle. I was able to take out TWO TD's, a T95 and an OBJ 704 and kill them both from full health, along with two other tanks. 

I can't believe that is the highest EXP for all T54's so far... 

I average ~1618 dmg per game in my T54, so this was a total ANOMALY for me, but a welcome one. 

 


Edited by _SherlockHolmes_, 06 March 2015 - 07:24 PM.

In Garage:  T2 Light, M22 Locust, T34, M46, T95, T30, T110E4, T110E5   •  BT-SV, LTP, M3 Light, T-34-85 Victory, KV-3, SU-100M, Tankenstein, IS-3, IS-6, T-59, T-54, T-62A, IS-7   •   VK28,  Leopard, VK 30.02D, SP IC, RU 251, E50ME100    •  AT15, Centurion Mk. 7/1, FV4202, FV215b, Tortoise       •       Shinobi, Chi-Nu, Kuro, Chi-To,  Chi-Ri

Unlocked but not purchased:  T110E3, M48 Patton   •   JagE100, Maus, Leopard 1    •   IS-4, Obj 268    •   FV215 183mm        •      STB-1 

 


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I like you idea to collect and make the Ace data systematic!

 

I have an idea how to improve the data. I don't have my ipad at work but I'm pretty sure that in-game stats show the maximum XP earned per each tank. Next, wotbstars helps to quickly identify the Aces. Thus, if face4stas can pull the same maximum XP earned per tank per player, we can somewhat safely say that those max XP was for the ace of that tank/player. Then, it will allow a much bigger dataset of ace (and even per tank data).

 

Thoughts?


 


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View PostStatic2k, on 06 March 2015 - 02:24 PM, said:

I like you idea to collect and make the Ace data systematic!

 

I have an idea how to improve the data. I don't have my ipad at work but I'm pretty sure that in-game stats show the maximum XP earned per each tank. Next, wotbstars helps to quickly identify the Aces. Thus, if face4stas can pull the same maximum XP earned per tank per player, we can somewhat safely say that those max XP was for the ace of that tank/player. Then, it will allow a much bigger dataset of ace (and even per tank data).

 

Thoughts?

 

The problem with that is Max XP on a tank DOES include the premium 1.5x bonus.  And since the API doesn't tell us who has Premium and who doesn't, that would be an issue.

 

For example, I know from my own screenshot that my base XP on my M46 Patton Ace was 1921.  But the API says:

Max XP 2881 with M46 Patton

 

1921 * 1.5 = 2881


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Ace in Pz IV

 

Hope that helps.

 

Spoiler

 

Spoiler

 

Spoiler

 


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_SherlockHolmes_ #33 Posted 06 March 2015 - 08:20 PM

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View Postahredstealth, on 06 March 2015 - 02:19 PM, said:

Ace in Pz IV

 

Hope that helps.

 

Spoiler

 

Spoiler

 

Spoiler

 

 

Agggh. Go back into your post and hit EDIT, and then save again and it should fix those Spoiler boxes.'

I had the same thing happen to mine where they didnt load the first time i hit Post.
 

 


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Unlocked but not purchased:  T110E3, M48 Patton   •   JagE100, Maus, Leopard 1    •   IS-4, Obj 268    •   FV215 183mm        •      STB-1 

 


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View PostCptCheez, on 06 March 2015 - 02:13 PM, said:

 

The problem with that is Max XP on a tank DOES include the premium 1.5x bonus.  And since the API doesn't tell us who has Premium and who doesn't, that would be an issue.

 

I agree, but arbitrary we can put the borders of the regular XP vs premium 1.5 XP. For example, my max ever XP is 2590. We know that base XP over 1500 is very difficult to get and it usually indicates an Ace. Thus, my 2590 is actually 1726 base XP.

 

We can establish "guardrails" for base XP per tier and apply 1.5 denominator when XP is more than the threshold. For instance, tier 8 max base is 1400, tier 9 - 1500, tier 10 - 1600. Whatever is higher gets divided by 1.5, whatever is lower stays the same. 

 

There is a chance to make a few mistakes on some data points with this subjective approach, but the benefit would a much larger dataset which will cover let's say 90% of correct instances


Edited by Static2k, 06 March 2015 - 08:24 PM.

 


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View PostStatic2k, on 06 March 2015 - 01:24 PM, said:

I like you idea to collect and make the Ace data systematic!

 

I have an idea how to improve the data. I don't have my ipad at work but I'm pretty sure that in-game stats show the maximum XP earned per each tank. Next, wotbstars helps to quickly identify the Aces. Thus, if face4stas can pull the same maximum XP earned per tank per player, we can somewhat safely say that those max XP was for the ace of that tank/player. Then, it will allow a much bigger dataset of ace (and even per tank data).

 

Thoughts?

 

This is a great idea - and one that I tried myself initially.  There is nothing I would like more than to have a way to automate the process.  But, it is more complicated in that it involves the premium XP bonus.  The problem for me is that actually trying to automate the process of converting the max XP into the actual XP would be very messy (and inaccurate).  I'll also add that the max XP for a tank doesn't always correlate with an Ace earned for that tank.  For example, I have only earned one ace so far in my IS-4 - with a base XP of 1226; yet the max XP recorded for this tank  is for a battle where I earned more XP (2058 - which is the base xp 1372 times the 1.5 premium multiplier), but only got a 1st class mastery.  I agree that your approach would certainly provide a decent estimate of the overall benchmarks, but for me the potential (and unknowable) error it could introduce is more than I would be willing to risk.   

 

Granted it would speed up the process, but realistically all we probably need are around 15-20 examples from each tank type to get a decently accurate idea of what the Ace Mastery benchmarks are.


Edited by vanpeenen, 06 March 2015 - 08:43 PM.

 

 


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Last match I just played.  Kinda bummed as the 7th kill was snatched from me by a sniper at the very end. :(

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View Post_SherlockHolmes_, on 06 March 2015 - 12:54 PM, said:

LOL I've kept screenshots of almost all my aces:

Below in two posts are 15 of my 25. 

 

AWESOME - THANKS!!!

View Postahredstealth, on 06 March 2015 - 02:19 PM, said:

Ace in Pz IV

 

Hope that helps.

 

It helps a lot - got it entered.

View Postfelipethepato, on 06 March 2015 - 02:38 PM, said:

Sorry didn't know how to do spoilers, I made a separate thread regarding my ace badges

No problem - I got them entered.  Nice string of Aces BTW!  You clearly like the Soviet Mediums.

View PostKiser_Sosei, on 06 March 2015 - 02:51 PM, said:

I Received one this morning.

Perfect - congrats and thanks!  Awesome user name BTW.  One of my favorite movies.

 

And, Mr Bieler - got yours as well.  Awesome game - sorry you didn't get your Raseiniai.  I had the same thing once in my E50 - missed the 7th kill by like 15 hp.

 


 

 


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View Post_SherlockHolmes_, on 06 March 2015 - 08:20 PM, said:

 

Agggh. Go back into your post and hit EDIT, and then save again and it should fix those Spoiler boxes.'

I had the same thing happen to mine where they didnt load the first time i hit Post.
 

 

 

Done.  huh, funky.  Even post previewed it before submitting...

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