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panthertankerv #1 Posted 09 March 2015 - 05:27 AM

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Hi,

 

I was wondering where to go hull down? For example, on my Panther, I prefer to expose only the turret, as the armor just... isn't there.  Same as to my imaginary T29 that I'm about to get.  I know on Falls Creek the bridge is a good hull down for the T29, but where can I go hull-down for Panther, as its kinda short .



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Keep looking, you'll find more.

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JPMIV #4 Posted 09 March 2015 - 06:18 AM

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YouTube helps a lot here. The game vids (especially of the T29 family) show some of the possible hull down positions. After a while you can judge for yourself which spots will work on any given map.

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With the T29, you'll start finding positions all over the place. Its gun depression lets you make use of all sorts of subtle dips, rises, hollows, etc. The ground itself becomes your friend, and you won't have to look just for things sticking up out of it to hid behind.



 


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Good luck going hull down in a panther... No armor on the turret either.

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To find Hull down positions you want to check your positioning through sniper view.. You can think you are hull down in 3rd person but verify it by switching to sniper view and you want your reticle to just peak over the terrain you are behind.  That will verify that it's just the top of your turret poking over and that you are in the best hull down positioning you can achieve. 

 

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Be careful of the flank on falls creek. If theres someone like me and sees a 29 or 32. Even the t30 now i go to a few spots where i can take some shots and leave you as a road block. Theres places to engage bridge and cap at the same time never get tunnel vision just because your hull down with guys up front bouncing shots off you.

 

Every map has hull down spots be careful of going in the open. It doesnt hurt to wait if youre in good position. Dead tanks help most because they usually die on a strategic corner or choke point letting you stick out that much more.


 


Comrade_Pike #9 Posted 09 March 2015 - 04:37 PM

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View PostJPMIV, on 09 March 2015 - 06:18 AM, said:

YouTube helps a lot here. The game vids (especially of the T29 family) show some of the possible hull down positions. After a while you can judge for yourself which spots will work on any given map.

 

I second this.  The best gameplay videos are Thunderthies, 48tonRuckus (my personal favorite, great in game commentary), Spinee and MightyJingles.  If you spend the time to watch these videos, you'll quickly pick up where to go hull down.

 

The T-29 definitely requires re-wiring your brain if, like me, you came from driving Russian heavies like the KV-1S and IS.  It's a totally different game play mechanic...if you get caught in the open or in town with the T-29 it can be a bit shocking how quick folks can take you down.



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View PostComrade_Pike, on 09 March 2015 - 11:37 AM, said:

The T-29 definitely requires re-wiring your brain if, like me, you came from driving Russian heavies like the KV-1S and IS.  It's a totally different game play mechanic...if you get caught in the open or in town with the T-29 it can be a bit shocking how quick folks can take you down.

 

I'm glad it's not just me.  I am still mediocre in the T-29... but, my first few games were horrendous in this tank.  I felt bad for my team.  I think the original poster is on the right track looking for Hull Down info.  For me it has been a steep'ish learning curve... I still don't have a great feel for when I 'm completely hull-down... although the pinging sound of shells bouncing off of my turret usually lets me know I'm in a good spot. :) 

 

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Two things are often times needed to hull down:

- gun depression

- turret armor (at least the face)

 

If you don't have that, the absolute most you can expect of hull down is to become a smaller target and hope red has a bigger chance of missing. The panthers a med, use it like a med. That's prolly gonna be the next line I'll grind btw, e50m looks very tempting. 


Now @ 15 Tier 10s: E50M, E100, FV215B, FV4202, IS-4, IS-7, JagdPanzer E100, M48 Patton, Obj. 140, Obj. 268, STB-1, T110E3, T110E4, T110E5, T-62A

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Thanks guys, so no hulldown for meds? and side note E75 or E50 line?

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I'm surprised the Panther armor isn't strong, at least on the front.  Frontally it was incredibly strong.  I was hoping this game was true to life in armor resistance.

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View PostJBark, on 09 March 2015 - 08:00 PM, said:

I'm surprised the Panther armor isn't strong, at least on the front.  Frontally it was incredibly strong.  I was hoping this game was true to life in armor resistance.

 

Literally about half the tanks in this game either never existed outside of paper IRL, or were built only as prototypes. You'll find out soon enough this game is only very, very, very loosely based on historical fact.

 

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View PostJBark, on 09 March 2015 - 07:00 PM, said:

I'm surprised the Panther armor isn't strong, at least on the front.  Frontally it was incredibly strong.  I was hoping this game was true to life in armor resistance.

 

I was expecting this too BUT you have to realize in ww2, german tanks such as the Panther and tiger were up against the most common allied tanks such as the t34 and Sherman, which were more or less inferior. Therefore their reputation. In this GAME, however, things get a bit different. Instead of coming across large numbers of inferior allied tanks, which are lower tiers in the game, they face tanks of similar tiers, which for a large part are allied projects designed to counter these superior german tanks. The result is more evened out competition, which historically didn't exactly happen, and a dismay becuase of a lower perception as to these beasts' true combat capabilities. It's basically a giant what if scenario that you get to take part of, the what if quesiton being what if the allies SOONER had tanks capable of fighitng these German behemoths on even terms on the battlefield. i hope that made sense, it's a lot of info piled into a heap.


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T34/T3(1776) got buffed hard. I paid $$$ for that @&#%£¥ so WG better not realize their mistake and nerf it back to Tier 8

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View PostComrade_Pike, on 09 March 2015 - 10:37 AM, said:

 

I second this.  The best gameplay videos are Thunderthies, 48tonRuckus (my personal favorite, great in game commentary), Spinee and MightyJingles.  If you spend the time to watch these videos, you'll quickly pick up where to go hull down.

 

The T-29 definitely requires re-wiring your brain if, like me, you came from driving Russian heavies like the KV-1S and IS.  It's a totally different game play mechanic...if you get caught in the open or in town with the T-29 it can be a bit shocking how quick folks can take you down.

 

View PostSwedish_Sunshine, on 09 March 2015 - 01:32 PM, said:

 

I'm glad it's not just me.  I am still mediocre in the T-29... but, my first few games were horrendous in this tank.  I felt bad for my team.  I think the original poster is on the right track looking for Hull Down info.  For me it has been a steep'ish learning curve... I still don't have a great feel for when I 'm completely hull-down... although the pinging sound of shells bouncing off of my turret usually lets me know I'm in a good spot. :) 

 

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You guys lie to make the rest of us feel better. The t29 is my most feared tier 7, too much hp to face head on. If I'm in a td and I see one I know I need help or I'm a goner. Not only that, but the map terrain is favorable to you guys as well. The hull is the only practical place to shoot at from the front, or honestly even side, and I can't hit it if it's blocked by a little trench or hill or mound or whatnot. Plus the gun, if it's got the 105 and it's coming at you, Gg maybe my damage helped my surviving team win


Now @ 15 Tier 10s: E50M, E100, FV215B, FV4202, IS-4, IS-7, JagdPanzer E100, M48 Patton, Obj. 140, Obj. 268, STB-1, T110E3, T110E4, T110E5, T-62A

Just another demo account, nothing to see here

T34/T3(1776) got buffed hard. I paid $$$ for that @&#%£¥ so WG better not realize their mistake and nerf it back to Tier 8

Bring Back Stealy!


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View PostComrade_Pike, on 09 March 2015 - 04:37 PM, said:

The T-29 definitely requires re-wiring your brain if, like me, you came from driving Russian heavies like the KV-1S and IS.  It's a totally different game play mechanic...if you get caught in the open or in town with the T-29 it can be a bit shocking how quick folks can take you down.

 

Ditto.  I love running my IS, just switched over to the T-29 and am having a tough time at it.  With the T-29 (like others have said) I am finding that I can find some decent hull down spots by paying attention to the dips of the terrain.  More often than not I an sit back slightly behind a small dip in the ground and have decent protection. Just make sure you can get out of there if you need to, because in the T-29 you are not going anywhere fast...

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View Postpanthertankerv, on 09 March 2015 - 07:25 PM, said:

Thanks guys, so no hulldown for meds? and side note E75 or E50 line?

 

I would not recommend passive hulldown in a medium. In a T29 or T32 you can sit there hulldown, your turret fully exposed, wiggling a bit and baiting the other team to take shots at you. Doing that in almost any medium will send you back to the garage very quickly (T-54/T-62A a possible exception). But it's perfectly fine to find places where you can pop out from cover, exposing only your turret, and then hide or relocate. 

 

As to which line, they are completely different. If you like mediums, you can go down the E50 M line. Just know that it's a fairly difficult line as your first set of mediums. (I made that mistake. I am much better in mediums now and will eventually re-buy the Germans to rehabilitate my WR with those tanks.) If you like heavies, the E100 line is a perfectly good one, although again some of them are not quite as easy to play as the heavy lines of other nations.


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I agree on the T29. I have been killed a number of times sitting out in the open thinking I was safe. I have gone head to head with tanks thinking that my armor is strong and I won't get scratched. It's amazing how quickly my hit hit hit points disappear. I'm working on my driving skills now. It takes a long time to develop the muscle memory skills to drive a tank.

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T29 is bad in Blitz because there are few hull down positions and the only good things about T29 are the gun, the turret armor, and the speed. In PC edition, it is great!!! 






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