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Serapth #1 Posted 15 April 2015 - 01:12 AM

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So, you want to buy yourself a premium and are considering the Panther M10?  Well, pull up a chair son and I will share my hard fought experience...  let me just slip into my smoking jacket, light up a cigar and... ok, let's go.

 

Meet the Panther M10:

 

 

The Panther M10 has some obviously appealing traits, beyond what it can do as a tank.  Including:

 

  • being the highest tier medium premium currently available
  • it's a Panther!  The monster of WW2, surely it most be epic!
  • it's a heck of a lot cheaper than tier 8 premiums

 

It was this combination of traits that hooked me into making the Panther M10 my first premium... a combo of being kinda cheap, thinking German tanks had to be good! and wanting to drive a medium.

 

Well, if you are new to WoT: Blitz, let me just take a moment to say, even though German tanks managed epic things in real life, in Wargaming's world Stalin simply won't allow this!  Actually almost all of the premiums have a flaw or two, this is most certainly to keep away the P2W crowd.  Imagine if the T-54 or KV4 were premiums, how badly the outrage would be?  Basically what I am saying is, if you think you are buying a pay 2 win tank, you aren't.  Stop right now.  The IS-6 is as close as the game comes to having one of those, and it isn't really either.

 

So, it's no uber tank, you aren't going to win just because you bought it, and just because it's German doesn't mean its great.  However it is still the highest tier medium available as a premium, and as a lover of mediums, this is a big deal to me.

 

Speaking of me, I suppose I should put forward my credentials to review this tank.  Truth of the matter is, my credentials essentially ARE the review, as you will understand shortly.  First off, I apparently hold the highest single XP round in the Panther M10 right now, so that means I drove the thing really well at least once...

 

Here are my current stats in the Panther M10:

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Wow dude, that's kinda crap you might be thinking!   Well yeah, it's quite a ways below my averages in general, but the key to understanding the Panther M10 is...

 

Here are my stats from a month ago...

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... now you want to talk crap, those are crap!

 

Let me make something very clear too... there hasn't been a recent buff.  In fact if anything, the tank was indirectly nerfed when in their infinite wisdom, WoT decided the T series needed a buff!  No, the only thing that changed was me.

 

Look at those two sets of numbers again for a second and do some quick math in your head...  to raise the stats on this tank in that many games, I am rocking an across the board 25-50% stat increase coupled with a @70% win rate in this thing had I purchased it a month ago.  This is a tank I only play solo and I only really break it out when the potato teams are really bad.  That makes it all the more telling.

 

... so I know how to drive this thing now, I didn't then, and this is very important, I will come back to that.

 

The Raw Data:

So here's the details of this tank:

 

So, what do those numbers tell us?  Well, its accurate, heavy, kinda slow for a medium, does so so damage, has a lot of hit points and kinda meh armour.

 

What does this mean in real life?  What's the Panther M10 like to drive?

 

Well first and foremost, the Panther M10 has preferred matchmaking.  I guess is should bold this part IT HAS PREFERRED MATCHMAKING! This is actually pretty important because, and I've done this by accident a couple times, in tier 9 you are useless.  You get to bounce shot after shot off enemy E75... yeah, it really sucks.  Did I mention I solo a lot in this thing?  Yeah, that's why... almost nobody else drive it, so wolf packing them is rare and you simply can't risk getting sucked in to a tier 9 game.

 

Where was I...  oh yeah, how it actually drives.

 

I think I will describe it as agile sluggish.  Yeah, that's it.  The top speed sucks for a medium but is fast compared to other tanks.  Your climbing speed is glacial.  Seriously climbing the hill on mines feels like an eternity...  but boy can you ram when you have to. I'm not all that big on ramming personally. For the most part, for a medium, the performance of this thing kinda stinks.  You do however accelerate from 0 - 5mph like a champ and this is actually extremely useful.  The Panther M10 is EPIC at popping out, shooting and popping back behind cover.  The agility on the other hand ( turret and traverse ) are just fine, you will never find yourself lacking there and in a knife fight you are as agile as any tank you will face.

 

So, hows the gun?  Well penetration is average.  Against your own tier and below you can penetrate everything from SOME angle, the KV will be a bit bouncy and will probably prompt you to switch to premmo.  Against tier 8 it's a different story... all premmo all the time, at least frontally.  Fortunately premium ammo is cheap.  I burned through over 30 rounds in a fight and still walked away with a 15K profit...  Keep in mind though, I am again talking frontal.  From sides and back you can pen anything you face, although you will still probably want to use premium against KV4s.

 

Accuracy on the other hand is quite good.  This ain't no Russian gun.  You can reliably hit weak spots like the driver hatch of an AT15 or the gun port of an E75 should you be unfortunate enough to face them.  Damage is generally in the 150-200 range.  Actually let me just rip the stats straight from CptCheez's handy spreadsheet:

 

Premium Tier VII - Panther/M10                              
Gun ROF Low Dmg High Dmg   Low DPM High DPM Average DPM   Low Pen High Pen Average Pen   Dispersion Aiming Time  
7,5 cm Kw.K. 42 L/70 12.77 120 200   1532 2554 2043   112 187 150   0.35 2.3  

 

Something stand out to you there?  Perhaps the DPM of 2043 and average pen of 150?

 

Take some time to browse through the spreadsheet for a while look at other guns...  I'll wait here.  Yeah, it's the gun that makes this tank.  It's got good depression, great accuracy good penetration and great DPM, coupled with an affordable premium round and you've got the crux of this tank.

 

You know the dreaded AT15... well if you park and trade shots with it, it will be a smoking wreck and you will have 500-700 HP remaining.  Of course, standing still in a medium trading shots with an assault tank is really stupid... but if you do, you will win.  Actually, and this is the pretty impressive part... if you park and trade shots with any tank... even the T29, IS and KV3, you will generally win.  Again, you are a medium, duck into cover between shots.  Actually ideally if you trade shots, you trade 2 for 1.  You have the time to send to shots at them, then a second or two to get back into cover, in the space of a single reload.

 

So then, how do you play this tank?  As top tier you can often just play however you want.  Your armour is surprisingly bouncy against tier 5/6 rounds, you can actually trade shots and come away unharmed a lot of the time.  The T29,KV3, IS, and the I/SU tanks should be shown a bit more respect, but in a pinch you can straight out tank them if you have to.  Just realize you are trading hp's and this is pretty inefficient in the end.  You do have quite a few of them though.  Ideally though you will shoot and pop back into cover.

 

You can circle of death, sorta.  Your slow top speed makes getting into position tricky, but once you are close you can easily circle faster than most heavies can turn their turrets.  Your gun is also quite stable, making shooting on the move a viable ( and probably preferred ) tactic.

 

What about earnings?  I would say this tank always makes SOME money, but premium can certainly cut into profits, especially against tier 8s.  I think I probably average about a 40-60K profit, with 80K being the upper limit.   To be honest, it earns about the same as my IS6 at the end of the day, because unlike the Russian, it's premium is a lot cheaper and it doesn't shoot one out of three shells into the dirt in front of you.

 

So, do I recommend the Panther M10...

 

Well, this goes back to my stats earlier.  When I started, this was the first premium I bought and it certainly shouldn't have been.  I would have done MUCH MUCH MUCH better with the IS6.  It wasn't until I did the Centurion grind that the lightbulb went off and I "got" this tank.

 

Now however, that I a lot more talented in this style of medium, I'm going to make a pretty bold conclusion...

 

...the Panther M10 is the best premium in the game.  Just for the love of god, don't make it your first premium!

 


Edited by Serapth, 15 April 2015 - 01:15 AM.


Ksftwe #2 Posted 15 April 2015 - 01:17 AM

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View PostSerapth, on 14 April 2015 - 09:12 PM, said:

Now however, that I a lot more talented in this style of medium, I'm going to make a pretty bold conclusion...

 

...the Panther M10 is the best premium in the game.  Just for the love of god, don't make it your first premium!

 

 

*violently grabs popcorn*

 

 

 

Good guide, though. +1


 

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Serapth #3 Posted 15 April 2015 - 01:22 AM

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View PostKsftwe, on 14 April 2015 - 08:17 PM, said:

 

*violently grabs popcorn*

 

 

 

Good guide, though. +1

 

In all honesty, I think it is.  It's like how on Wotbstars, mediums have across the board terribad stats compared to a heavy.  But you throw a talented player in a medium and they become almost OP.

 

Many tankers will get abysmal results from the Panther M10.  But once people get it, especially with the preferred matchmaking, at that tier it's almost peerless.  Even in tier 8, the tank can be a monster, easily carrying and hitting above it's weight class, especially if you have lots of premium ammo loaded.



_clyde #4 Posted 15 April 2015 - 01:23 AM

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Nice review!  I actually enjoyed the regular Panther which many despise.  

 

It would be nice when top tier I imagine?  I assume no preferential MM?  How often do you face tier 8&9?

 

Nevermimd I see you answered my question.  One of the pains in the regular Panther is fighting tier 9!  So that's a sweet perk.



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View PostClydeman72, on 14 April 2015 - 08:23 PM, said:

Nice review!  I actually enjoyed the regular Panther which many despise.  

 

It would be nice when top tier I imagine?  I assume no preferential MM?  How often do you face tier 8&9?

 

No, it has pref matchmaking.  Without pref MM it would be a terrible tank, garbage.  You would basically be useless one in three games.



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Its a slower comet with worse dpm and slower.

But it has Pref MM!!!

So over all a beast of a prem tank, but I'll take my comet over this any day :trollface:


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One of my main grinding tank and also nice review on it as wall for those who are concerned getting it

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Serapth #8 Posted 15 April 2015 - 01:37 AM

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View Postfelipethepato, on 14 April 2015 - 08:29 PM, said:

Its a slower comet with worse dpm and slower.

But it has Pref MM!!!

So over all a beast of a prem tank, but I'll take my comet over this any day :trollface:

 

Accurate description, although better pen, cheap APCR and better/worse armour offset many of those advantages.  ... and of course pref matchmaking.  The Comet is certainly wayyyyy faster and more agile, but once it comes to blows, I'd bet on the M10 personally.

 

As I said in the review, no premium is p2w, so there are always downsides.



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Great review! I've been enjoying mediums more and more so I might have to pick one up.

SkiFletch #10 Posted 15 April 2015 - 01:42 AM

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Basically all of [SRT] loves playing this tank.  We dual them up all the time and they're NASTY.

 

You forgot one thing.  Angling.  Throw it at 20 degrees, hide the lower plate and tilt your hull up behind a depression in the ground near the limits of your gun depression and you'll bounce shots for DAYS.



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I see its roughly $15.  Would you buy it again?

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View PostClydeman72, on 14 April 2015 - 08:49 PM, said:

I see its roughly $15.  Would you buy it again?

 

 

When I purchased it... Good god no.  Right now, in a heartbeat!

 

If I purchased it a month ago when I revisted it, instead of when I started playing, I'd have a 70-75% winrate and well over 2000 damage average per round.

 

That said, you really need to understand how to play slow good gun depression mediums to make this tank work.  If your only experience is the T34/43/44/54 line, the T20 or pre Tier 8 Brit mediums, you will probably hate this tank.  The normal Panther, Centurion 1/7/FV4202 and possibly the Pershing are the tanks with a similar playstyle.  It's a pretty big learning curve to get it.

 

If you loved any of the tanks I just mentioned, you will love the M10.



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Hmm. I've considered getting this, although many people that I have asked say it sucks.

 

I'm in the process of using the Panther to grind for Panther II and I have to say this tank is INCREDIBLE. I always thought the Panther would be a poor show but I've been consistently getting more than 3000 damage with it per game. I'm a player who prefers to rely on armor and high-alpha guns than relying on speed and penetration, meaning I tend to sit around and aim very carefully.

 

With the Panther you can just zip around without going into Sniper Mode and just laughing at the health getting hacked off. I love this tank.

 

So if I enjoy the Panther, will I enjoy the Panther/M10? I'm fairly certain that they are similar, and if I can get the same performance rates with the Panther/M10 that my Panther is experiencing I certainly will get it.



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View Posttimkim0711, on 14 April 2015 - 09:04 PM, said:

Hmm. I've considered getting this, although many people that I have asked say it sucks.

 

I'm in the process of using the Panther to grind for Panther II and I have to say this tank is INCREDIBLE. I always thought the Panther would be a poor show but I've been consistently getting more than 3000 damage with it per game. I'm a player who prefers to rely on armor and high-alpha guns than relying on speed and penetration, meaning I tend to sit around and aim very carefully.

 

With the Panther you can just zip around without going into Sniper Mode and just laughing at the health getting hacked off. I love this tank.

 

So if I enjoy the Panther, will I enjoy the Panther/M10? I'm fairly certain that they are similar, and if I can get the same performance rates with the Panther/M10 that my Panther is experiencing I certainly will get it.

 

If you love the Panther you will love the M10.  They are slightly different, the Panther is the superior sniper with a better pen, the M10 is a superior brawler with a higher rate of fire.  I think the M10 has slightly better armor too.  At the end of the day though, they are more alike than different, so yes.  Just know that there are differences.



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Thanks for the review, it sure is a nice tank when used properly and that dpm is crazy. I think a lot of people do struggle with this tank and it takes some skill to get the most out of it. Isn't the super pershing a T8 medium?

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View PostCSTCARE, on 14 April 2015 - 09:19 PM, said:

Thanks for the review, it sure is a nice tank when used properly and that dpm is crazy. I think a lot of people do struggle with this tank and it takes some skill to get the most out of it. Isn't the super pershing a T8 medium?

 

In my world that foul piece of [edited]doesn't exist. :)

 

...but yeah, my mistake there.  I should change the text do say "highest tier medium that you should actually consider buying"!



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View PostSkiFletch, on 14 April 2015 - 07:42 PM, said:

Basically all of [SRT] loves playing this tank.  We dual them up all the time and they're NASTY.

 

On top of what ski said

M10 is the only premium tank I have. I feel its the only one I need at the moment. Definietly will be buying T-59 when its released. 2 of these little monsters paired up can do some serious trolling. Your teamates automatically assume its a loss for having these boys paired and showing them otherwise is a pretty satisfying feeling. 



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It might sound strange but I like t43 more than comet and m10 even m10 is my most played tank. T43 has the same gun depression but better hull armor. Turret armor is a way better too. Also t43 has a smaller profile. M10 is too big for a medium. The truth is that it is extremely fun to play , the same as t62a. Both tanks I am not good at but could not resist urge to play.

And thank you for the review. I agree pretty much with everything. If you once decide to platoon with this thing please consider me. 1-2 games would be fun. I never platooned it, so it would be interesting to see how it is.

 



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View Postface4stas, on 14 April 2015 - 09:28 PM, said:

 

It might sound strange but I like t43 more than comet and m10 even m10 is my most played tank. T43 has the same gun depression but better hull armor. Turret armor is a way better too. Also t43 has a smaller profile. M10 is too big for a medium. The truth is that it is extremely fun to play , the same as t62a. Both tanks I am not good at but could not resist urge to play.

And thank you for the review. I agree pretty much with everything. If you once decide to platoon with this thing please consider me. 1-2 games would be fun. I never platooned it, so it would be interesting to see how it is.

 

 

Nothing strange about that.  The T43 is a great tank and probably the second best in that like after the T54.  The T series are pretty strong in the Russian OPness, which made there recent buff almost make me snort milk out my nose.  Thankfully I don't drink milk.

 

Sure I'll toon them with you, should be fun although might take a few to get a game plan worked out.  I'm so used to lone wolfing in the thing at this point.

 



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Nice review. It was also my first premium and it took me some time to figure out what to do with it. Now I really like it and my WR is also rising,

 

Panther/M10   7   132 
1.3476
59.85
43.18
1.34
1.06
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I will note that it does well platooned with an AT-15A. They get the same preferential MM and it can work really well to have the P/M10 stay close enough to protect the AT-15A from being flanked. With two good players they can dominate.






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