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CptCheez #21 Posted 01 June 2015 - 04:26 PM

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View Post_Virtus, on 01 June 2015 - 12:11 PM, said:

The is8 is my favorite tank currently.

I'm averaging a 84 WR, with 2600+ average damage

I find the speed very nice for a heavy, and the turret is pretty decent with the best gun on a tier 9 heavy.

 

The M103 and especially the Conqueror would like to have a word with you.

 

Tier IX - IS-8                            
Gun ROF Low Dmg High Dmg   Low DPM High DPM Average DPM   Low Pen High Pen Average Pen   Dispersion Aiming Time
122 mm M62-T2 5.16 315 525   1625 2709 2167   193 322 258   0.38 2.9

 

Tier IX - M103                            
Gun ROF Low Dmg High Dmg   Low DPM High DPM Average DPM   Low Pen High Pen Average Pen   Dispersion Aiming Time
120 mm Gun M58 5.36 300 500   1608 2680 2144   193 322 258   0.37 2.3

 

Tier IX - Conqueror                            
Gun ROF Low Dmg High Dmg   Low DPM High DPM Average DPM   Low Pen High Pen Average Pen   Dispersion Aiming Time
120 mm Gun L1A1 5.71 300 500   1713 2855 2284   194 324 259   0.33 1.9

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Yeah, that conqueror gun is sick :)

 

And Vitrus, what happened, I thought you were leaving? :teethhappy:



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View Post_Virtus, on 01 June 2015 - 04:11 PM, said:

The is8 is my favorite tank currently.

I'm averaging a 84 WR, with 2600+ average damage

I find the speed very nice for a heavy, and the turret is pretty decent with the best gun on a tier 9 heavy.

 

As I've said before there are certain people that can carry in a bicycle--the question is how well an average player can do in it. Of course top gun on IS-8 is good and you can work around poor armor and good gun depression; the question is how much effort is required to stay alive and how flexible the platform is. What many people are trying to say is that as a whole it's a challenging tank to play.

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View PostSkiFletch, on 01 June 2015 - 04:36 PM, said:

 

And Vitrus, what happened, I thought you were leaving? :teethhappy:

 

It's sad that he's going but it reminds me Cheshire cat: he does not disappear at once; his gun is not in the game but his smile is yet on the forums )))

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View Postdimzzy, on 01 June 2015 - 03:39 PM, said:

 

Yes, it's also a problem of this tank. On WM try to run ASAP to the corner behind the windmill and work from there; it's the only good spot for tanks with bad gun depression; the surface there is relatively flat. But it's still a tough call if the red team is smart enough to get there first and in greater numbers. The worst thing to do there is to stay right next to the windmill so everybody in the red team unload their guns between your tracks; and what's most amazing is that people still do this every fking time I play there.

 

 

Can you please elaborate on that spot you described as "corner behind the windmill"? Is it the extreme corner of the map i.e. where two red lines meet or something else?

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He means in the extreme corner. There is a flat spot up there that you can use if you get there first. There are smaller flat spots to use other than that at the windmill, but you have to really learn every wrinkle in the ground to do well here with the IS-8.

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View PostLephturn, on 01 June 2015 - 06:02 PM, said:

He means in the extreme corner. There is a flat spot up there that you can use if you get there first. There are smaller flat spots to use other than that at the windmill, but you have to really learn every wrinkle in the ground to do well here with the IS-8.

 

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I love the IS-8. It has excellent speed for a heavy, decent alpha, and reasonable protection. I wouldn't say I'm OP with it, and it doesn't do well in slugging matches like the back alley on Fort Despair or the windmill on Malinovka, but it's fun to play.

 

If you'll forgive the football analogy, I think of the IS-8 as a big linebacker, and the ST-1 as a defensive lineman. They can both tackle, but the ST-1 is better in the trenches. The IS-8 isn't as good in the trenches, but it's good at several things.


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I will also say - if you are not liking the IS-8 DO NOT keep going to the IS-7. It is a slightly better version of the IS-8. Armor is better, turret is amazing but still no gun depression. Same pike nose problems - can't handle more than one tank.

 

If you are struggling in the IS-8 and prefer "real" front line heavy tanks, go up the IS-4 line instead. The ST-I is much more my cup of tea and I wish I'd bailed out of this line at the IS-3 honestly.


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View PostLephturn, on 01 June 2015 - 06:38 PM, said:

I will also say - if you are not liking the IS-8 DO NOT keep going to the IS-7. It is a slightly better version of the IS-8. Armor is better, turret is amazing but still no gun depression. Same pike nose problems - can't handle more than one tank.

 

If you are struggling in the IS-8 and prefer "real" front line heavy tanks, go up the IS-4 line instead. The ST-I is much more my cup of tea and I wish I'd bailed out of this line at the IS-3 honestly.

 

Let me disagree; after the latest buff IS-7 is a great tank and feels OP pretty much like IS-3. The gun became just good enough to reach weak points and its turret is still one of the best in the game.

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View PostCptCheez, on 01 June 2015 - 10:23 AM, said:

The long flank around the swamp area is nutso, but a short flank behind the church can be very effective in a fast Heavy like the IS-8.

 

I'm going to have to make a guide to flaking on Winter Malinovka. So many people take too long. So many people don't use the cover from the terrain.

 

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View Postdimzzy, on 01 June 2015 - 10:58 AM, said:

 

As I've said before there are certain people that can carry in a bicycle--the question is how well an average player can do in it. Of course top gun on IS-8 is good and you can work around poor armor and good gun depression; the question is how much effort is required to stay alive and how flexible the platform is. What many people are trying to say is that as a whole it's a challenging tank to play.

 

Spot on. The IS8 doesn't have an easy, fits-all mode of play. You have to be attentive and adjust all the time to do well with it. In a perverse way, that's what I like about it. In "OP" tanks like the E75 or T-54 I get lazy at times and get blasted because I get in the "they can't touch me" frame of mind. Doesn't happen as often in the IS8 because I know I won't make it if I'm careless.






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