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[FallingGround]

What is side scraping?

Side scraping is a technique that is used to allow you to shoot your enemy while taking minimal to no damage in return. When you side scrape, you expose your side at an extreme angle; usually almost vertical to your enemy, while positioning yourself so that you can shoot your enemy.

 

What does side scraping look like?

 

How do I successfully side scrape?

    To successfully side scrape, you will need a building or an obstacle beside you and your enemy in front of you. What you can do as a beginner is drive up to the edge of the building or obstacle then reverse away from it at a slight angle. This may take a few tries but you will get it eventually. What you want is your hull (front of your tank) facing the obstacle so that the enemy cant take shots at it. If you do this correctly, your side should automatically be angled correctly.

    Pay close attention to the edge of the building and where my tracks are relevant to it in the example above. my outer track is basically in like with the edge of that building. This should help you with the angling of your tank.

 

What tanks are good at side scraping?

Many tanks are not good at side scraping. For example, my M103. Side scraping with the M103 still works but it isn't as effective. Tanks that are basically made to side scrape are the german heavies. The Tiger 1, Tiger 2, E-75, E-100 are all great at side scraping. The sides of these tanks naturally suit side scraping.

 

Ending notes

It is always better to side scrape than to poke out from behind a building hull first. If you get penetrated when side scraping, try re-angling your tank which could help. Also, don't force yourself to have your turret facing the enemy. Sometimes its better to wait for them to come into your gun view. This is because sometimes the enemy is in a position where you cannot shoot them when your side scraping well. Forcing yourself to be able to shoot at your enemy may expose your hull or you may angle your side wrong and instead of side scraping your exposing the side of your tank.

 

[ChunkySquirrel]

FallingGround, on 10 July 2014 - 09:31 PM, said:

What is side scraping?

Side scraping is a technique that is used to allow you to shoot your enemy while taking minimal to no damage in return. When you side scrape, you expose your side at an extreme angle; usually almost vertical to your enemy, while positioning yourself so that you can shoot your enemy.

 

What does side scraping look like?

 

How do I successfully side scrape?

    To successfully side scrape, you will need a building or an obstacle beside you and your enemy in front of you. What you can do as a beginner is drive up to the edge of the building or obstacle then reverse away from it at a slight angle. This may take a few tries but you will get it eventually. What you want is your hull (front of your tank) facing the obstacle so that the enemy cant take shots at it. If you do this correctly, your side should automatically be angled correctly.

    Pay close attention to the edge of the building and where my tracks are relevant to it in the example above. my outer track is basically in like with the edge of that building. This should help you with the angling of your tank.

 

What tanks are good at side scraping?

Many tanks are not good at side scraping. For example, my M103. Side scraping with the M103 still works but it isn't as effective. Tanks that are basically made to side scrape are the german heavies. The Tiger 1, Tiger 2, E-75, E-100 are all great at side scraping. The sides of these tanks naturally suit side scraping.

 

Ending notes

It is always better to side scrape than to poke out from behind a building hull first. If you get penetrated when side scraping, try re-angling your tank which could help. Also, don't force yourself to have your turret facing the enemy. Sometimes its better to wait for them to come into your gun view. This is because sometimes the enemy is in a position where you cannot shoot them when your side scraping well. Forcing yourself to be able to shoot at your enemy may expose your hull or you may angle your side wrong and instead of side scraping your exposing the side of your tank.

 

You should note or I will it is also good to angle your turret with your tank ( unless ur tank has a strong frontal turret ) To maximize angling. This is a great thing to do for example I'm the E-100 or Mouse

[Panbun]

Thanks for the guide to side scraping. +1

 

There were a few people asking in the General Chat Channel about what it is and how to do it. Hopefully, they see this thread.

[DeadlyAsians]

Dam... Now pubby be side-scrapping, how am I suppose seal club play now:O

[EPICANDY0131]

DeadlyAsians, on 11 July 2014 - 05:52 AM, said:

Dam... Now pubby be side-scrapping, how am I suppose seal club play now:O

Lol

 

Me too.

 

But they still take shots anyways, so who cares.

[UnModernized]

Great guide, more fun in pub now that I can take some shots to the side on my tiger 2

[Str8UpJack]

So the WOT PC wiki goes into this subject but also references something called reverse angling and says it's particularly useful for the upper tier american heavies, which I am currently working through.  But there is no visual reference given for "reverse angling"... http://wiki.wargamin...Reverse_Angling

 

so does reverse angling mean to just get into side scraping position but with the rear of your tank facing the building... like this -

( I had a little sketch that is hosted on Dropbox but the administrator doesn't allow links to dropbox... wth? is that about!!?  )  anyway, I'm sure someone able to answer this knows what I'm getting at.

 

link to image https://dl.dropboxus...68/IMG_7437.jpg - maybe it will work this way

Edited by Str8UpJack, 25 July 2014 - 03:29 PM.

[EPICANDY0131]

To clarify what Str8UpJack means:

 

Here's a screenshot.

Reverse Sidescraping

Longer tanks usually do better. (forward mounted turrets also)

 

Did fairly well in this game, actually.

Link to more screenshots: http://imgur.com/a/U1OQm

[vSGF_Jovin]

Great guide man!

[Fallenworld]

Doing good work here. A quick question, where did you get that style of joystick for the game? the one that comes with the apple one is terribly unclear about what angle you actually need to have the stick to initiate a pivot turn.

[Player_5773117413]

Bumping this thread.

 

Good guide, I rly didn't know what sidescraping was till I read this and I think that this is a great resource for all players.

[Jhooud]

Fallenworld, on 02 January 2015 - 03:10 PM, said:

Doing good work here. A quick question, where did you get that style of joystick for the game? the one that comes with the apple one is terribly unclear about what angle you actually need to have the stick to initiate a pivot turn.

 

Ditto on Fallen's question.  Is that an Android joystick?  Or a mod?  Or something?  It does look more precise than the default iOS joystick.

 

Regardless, great guide!  Many thanks!

[mehliveat]

Jhooud, on 27 February 2015 - 11:14 PM, said:

 

Ditto on Fallen's question.  Is that an Android joystick?  Or a mod?  Or something?  It does look more precise than the default iOS joystick.

 

Regardless, great guide!  Many thanks!

 

Do you mean the joystick in the screens above?  They were the stock/normal joystick before 1.1 or 1.2.  They were a pain to use, you can't just seemlessly go from turning to stop n traverse

[Matanakau]

And here I thought side scraping was what you did to a TD so it couldn't rotate to face you.  What's funny is the tank in the example photo is the one spot in Desert Sands where I always go when on that side of the map.  I've always peek-a-boomed though, and had my tracks hit and often taken full frontal shots to my glacis.  Good to know now that I can deflect many shots using this technique.

 

Thanks.

[_Hav0k]

FallingGround, on 11 July 2014 - 01:31 AM, said:

What is side scraping?

Side scraping is a technique that is used to allow you to shoot your enemy while taking minimal to no damage in return. When you side scrape, you expose your side at an extreme angle; usually almost vertical to your enemy, while positioning yourself so that you can shoot your enemy.

 

What does side scraping look like?

 

How do I successfully side scrape?

    To successfully side scrape, you will need a building or an obstacle beside you and your enemy in front of you. What you can do as a beginner is drive up to the edge of the building or obstacle then reverse away from it at a slight angle. This may take a few tries but you will get it eventually. What you want is your hull (front of your tank) facing the obstacle so that the enemy cant take shots at it. If you do this correctly, your side should automatically be angled correctly.

    Pay close attention to the edge of the building and where my tracks are relevant to it in the example above. my outer track is basically in like with the edge of that building. This should help you with the angling of your tank.

 

What tanks are good at side scraping?

Many tanks are not good at side scraping. For example, my M103. Side scraping with the M103 still works but it isn't as effective. Tanks that are basically made to side scrape are the german heavies. The Tiger 1, Tiger 2, E-75, E-100 are all great at side scraping. The sides of these tanks naturally suit side scraping.

 

Ending notes

It is always better to side scrape than to poke out from behind a building hull first. If you get penetrated when side scraping, try re-angling your tank which could help. Also, don't force yourself to have your turret facing the enemy. Sometimes its better to wait for them to come into your gun view. This is because sometimes the enemy is in a position where you cannot shoot them when your side scraping well. Forcing yourself to be able to shoot at your enemy may expose your hull or you may angle your side wrong and instead of side scraping your exposing the side of your tank.

 

 

FallingGround, on 11 July 2014 - 01:31 AM, said:

What is side scraping?

Side scraping is a technique that is used to allow you to shoot your enemy while taking minimal to no damage in return. When you side scrape, you expose your side at an extreme angle; usually almost vertical to your enemy, while positioning yourself so that you can shoot your enemy.

 

What does side scraping look like?

 

How do I successfully side scrape?

    To successfully side scrape, you will need a building or an obstacle beside you and your enemy in front of you. What you can do as a beginner is drive up to the edge of the building or obstacle then reverse away from it at a slight angle. This may take a few tries but you will get it eventually. What you want is your hull (front of your tank) facing the obstacle so that the enemy cant take shots at it. If you do this correctly, your side should automatically be angled correctly.

    Pay close attention to the edge of the building and where my tracks are relevant to it in the example above. my outer track is basically in like with the edge of that building. This should help you with the angling of your tank.

 

What tanks are good at side scraping?

Many tanks are not good at side scraping. For example, my M103. Side scraping with the M103 still works but it isn't as effective. Tanks that are basically made to side scrape are the german heavies. The Tiger 1, Tiger 2, E-75, E-100 are all great at side scraping. The sides of these tanks naturally suit side scraping.

 

Ending notes

It is always better to side scrape than to poke out from behind a building hull first. If you get penetrated when side scraping, try re-angling your tank which could help. Also, don't force yourself to have your turret facing the enemy. Sometimes its better to wait for them to come into your gun view. This is because sometimes the enemy is in a position where you cannot shoot them when your side scraping well. Forcing yourself to be able to shoot at your enemy may expose your hull or you may angle your side wrong and instead of side scraping your exposing the side of your tank.

 

good guide really helpful !!

[TankHead76]

Great guide - you really need to see it to understand.  I would be good to get some pics of what it looks like when an enemy is sidescraping, so you don't waste your shots, although I'm sure you can imagine.  

 

I find the best way to sidescrape is to get into position, check that your front glacis is not exposed, and then DON'T move, just move your turret.  I used to move forward to hide more of my sides between shots, but it's not a good idea.  By staying still, you might be able to go invisible between shots if you're far enough way, and by keeping your side exposed, you're more likely for enemies to keep wasting shots at your side.  I like to keep my turret facing the enemy, but wiggle to increase the chances of mantlet bounce - but I can see that German heavies are better off angling the turret between shots.

Edited by TankHead76, 27 May 2015 - 04:10 PM.

[IssacMoore]

This'll come in handy. I thought side scraping meant scraping along the side of a tank with your track so the track took the damage and you didn't lose HP on the ram

[Destroy0]

Is the vk45.01b a reliable sidescraper? I know it's a rear turreted tank, but it has unnaturally weak sides with only 100mm. Even though I angle up severely, it seems that 155mm+ guns just outright pen the armor at any time angle...

Edited by Destroy0, 04 June 2018 - 05:08 PM.

[Rou_Garou]

To you pros out there:

What particular characteristics in a tank identify how much of an angle is the most effective for protection? 

What is the best app to determine this?

and what is a safe zone for the angle?  10-25% + or - ??

[___ez_e___]

 

 

Rou_Garou, on 04 June 2018 - 02:19 PM, said:

To you pros out there:

What particular characteristics in a tank identify how much of an angle is the most effective for protection? 

What is the best app to determine this?

and what is a safe zone for the angle?  10-25% + or - ??

 

It’s completely tank dependent and I think most players will tell you that they can feel the range of angles needed for side scraping for the particular tank.  

 

You can also do extra things while sidescrapping to increase the chance of the shot bouncing.  You can move quickly back and forward while maintaining the angle.   You can wave your gun so that the enemy’s shot will hopefully hit that first and cause a bounce.  

 

Not every tank can side scrape effectively as a fighting tool.  Some tanks you should use it only as a last resort.   A good example of last resort usage is sp ic caught in the open and enemy has a clear shot.   You will use side scraping angles while trying to relocate in the hopes a shot will bounce.   I know it works because I’ve definitely bounce shots using sp ic, BUT I will never set up side scrape as a battling tool for that tank.  That’s not ithe sp ic strength.  

 

The more you side scrape the more comfortable you should become with it.  Also, don’t be alarmed if you setup a side scrape angle and you believe it is correct, but you tank gets penned.  Sometimes the very first shot will own you and then every subsequent shot bounces due to the angle. 

 

I haven’t done it, but I image the training room would be the best place to learn.  You just need some to fire at you while you use the map as you would in battle.    If possible, you should have someone shoot you with every tank you could face so you could learn the match ups. 

 

I’m pretty sure that most experienced players knows the strengths and weaknesses of their tank  compared to EVERY tank they may face.   

 

FYI-I’m all thumbs trying to type on a phone.   

 

Edited by ___ez_e___, 07 June 2018 - 12:10 AM.