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Taltos1964 #1321 Posted 11 September 2014 - 11:21 PM

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Wow, there are so many new "faces"!  I'm afraid I have spent my extra moments on Blitz and in the nightly Gladiator sessions rather than keeping up with this.

 

Welcome to all the new people.  There are more names than I can keep up with but I will likely recognize the names if I see a friend request from you.  Feel free to add me.  I am happy running anything from Tier 2 - 8.  I love the mediums but need practice.  I am developing the heavies.  I'm enjoying both but still have only put my toe in the TD lines yet.

 

Don't hesitate to jump into TS3 with us.  Platooning with these guys is awesome.  I have had a few of them help me during the nightly Gladiator sessions while they were on the other team aiming at me!  They gave me tips, waited for me to adjust, and then tried to shoot me.  It doesn't get any better than that.

 

As to organization of the Triarii...that seems to be organically taking place a bit already.  I think we can easily keep the relaxed feel for all and still have a more competitive group.  Even our competitive players are still relaxed in conversation and after matches or a session of matches.

 

I will join the many other in saying a huge thank you to ENO!  You may not have planned all this but you definitely found a topic and cause that resonated far and wide!  Count me in for whatever I can do to help and I'm interested in the competitive group but realistic about my abilities right now. Gladiator sessions help a lot!

 

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Val_Darrant #1322 Posted 11 September 2014 - 11:41 PM

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After a very good day in the kv5 I realize now that my problem besides rushing to tier X is that matchmaking plays a bigger role then I previously thought.  I say this because when I realized I was out of my depth at tier X I went back to tier 8 specifically the T34 because I did well in the T29.  Sadly I was often still getting matched with tier X's losing and dying.

Here is the thing I have played almost 700 games in the E5 and have a WR of 51.5% but my prem T34 I have played closer to 260 and have NEVER crossed 50%

Both are Heavy both are American....makes for some interesting analysis

 

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774th_BlackCat_Ramagen #1323 Posted 11 September 2014 - 11:54 PM

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How can I find time to platoon ? I enjoy reading this thread so much. I just keep on reading and reading. 

 


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putnamJavi #1324 Posted 12 September 2014 - 02:16 AM

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Great platooning with you Guderian!  Not a bad run we had with 4 wins in a row.  

 

 

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Spekulatius #1325 Posted 12 September 2014 - 02:49 AM

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View Posttcamp48, on 11 September 2014 - 05:46 PM, said:

I haven't tried TS3 but my iPad2 seems to run pretty well now despite a few hiccups after the upgrade. 

 

I run WOT Blitz on an ipad2 with TS3. I do have issues every once in a while with the Blitz app, but that has nothing to do with TS3 being active or not. TS3 is not a resource hog.

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_ENO_ #1326 Posted 12 September 2014 - 02:59 AM

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View PostDrWylde, on 11 September 2014 - 04:13 PM, said:

 

The beat goes on...

 

On a slightly unrelated note- Every time you write that I think about this video from Chief Goldfeder, an icon in the fire service: 

 

http://my.firefighte...ldfeder-and-the

 

One of the best videos on the subject I've ever seen.

 

 

 

 



Spekulatius #1327 Posted 12 September 2014 - 03:00 AM

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View PostDrWylde, on 11 September 2014 - 12:26 AM, said:

Furious match with Valdarrant.  Slam, bam, over.

 

 

Nice win, with  Concep's wrecked E50 as a trophy. And someguyXXX is wellknown too. Congrats!

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DrWylde #1328 Posted 12 September 2014 - 03:12 AM

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View PostSpekulatius, on 11 September 2014 - 08:00 PM, said:

 

Nice win, with  Concep's wrecked E50 as a trophy. And someguyXXX is wellknown too. Congrats!

 

I would not be one to mount Concep's wrecked E50M on a wall.  Every one has good and bad games.  His sterling stats of 3K average damage, etc. make him one of the few most consistently great players in Blitz.  Given he's such a good friend of Triarii, I was hesitant to post the game results... but perhaps wrongly, I went ahead anyway.  I got lucky and he did not for that game - such is life.  Nothing against your comment, but I wanted to clarify.


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naktl #1329 Posted 12 September 2014 - 05:47 AM

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Had to stop playing tonight.  I could not get a win on my Jagdtiger.  I went 10 with only losses and draws.  I went back and looked and I was averaging well over 2k per map and still no wins.  Had Topguns and one Radley whatever.  No wins.  Had to stop.  Didn't want to have to replace another iPad.

 


FarmerHarv #1330 Posted 12 September 2014 - 05:49 AM

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Had a quick random game with LarsG tonight (no platoon), he in a T32, and I had the turtle. I missed getting the screenshot, but he had a Tiger II on the run and was chasing it from about 5 feet behind it. Got a laugh out of me that startled the cat, and it made me wish for a replay/record option once again. 

 

Gotta get on TS yet, would have made that play much more entertaining. :-)



FarmerHarv #1331 Posted 12 September 2014 - 05:57 AM

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View Postnaktl, on 11 September 2014 - 11:47 PM, said:

Had to stop playing tonight.  I could not get a win on my Jagdtiger.  I went 10 with only losses and draws.  I went back and looked and I was averaging well over 2k per map and still no wins.  Had Topguns and one Radley whatever.  No wins.  Had to stop.  Didn't want to have to replace another iPad.

 

I feel your pain. I've stopped playing my German TDs as my win rate is below 50 on the JT and Ferd. Same as you, I'm doing significant damage, but just can't get victories and I dunno why. I have the tier X researched and the credits there to buy it, but I haven't for days now because I'm afraid it'll just be more of the same but at a higher tier. 

 

I'm really loving my M103 and T110E5 now that I'm playing them more though. Maybe I just need a turret? The win rate in the 103 isn't too great either, but hopefully it'll climb some as I play it more consistently. 



_ENO_ #1332 Posted 12 September 2014 - 08:25 AM

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We are going to be seeing a TON of these in the near future so here is a quick look at the KV5. 

 

 

 

LINKS: 

 

http://www.worldoftanksguide.com/cgi-bin/tank_analyzer.cgi

 

http://wotguru.com/weak-spots-guide-kv-5/

 

http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Tank:KV-5

 

http://gamemodels3d.com/worldoftanks/vehicles/r208 (May need to pay to get to this one and others in higher tiers.)

 

 

One thing I'm seeing very clearly is that the front hull, both upper and lower glacis plates aren't even worth shooting at... ever. Upper turret frontal edge hits (when shooting at the turret from the front) are going to result in almost guaranteed non-pen hits while straight on face shots in the little exposed areas around the mantel might squeak through. The elevated tower on the front left- the main radioman turret- (when facing the tank) is one of few weak spots I expect people will want to shoot at... while the driver's area on the right is better protected but still not a sure thing. 

 

From the rear it looks like that top deck runs a bit on the thin side while common stabbing shots in the lower area will still result in disappointing results. Side shots result in some predictable exposures- making the sizable area between the tracks vulnerable. I'm not seeing the spaced armor present that is common in Russian heavies around this tier- 

 

 

 



Val_Darrant #1333 Posted 12 September 2014 - 08:46 AM

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Thought you might find this interesting.  Since purchase of KV5 I am 19 wins of 23 games played.  My damage per game is up from 1050 to 1123 that is a 7% increase and xp per game up from 600 to 667 that is an 11% increase.  This improvement is all in the last 18 hours and keep in mind I have played a total of 3962 games.

 

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_ENO_ #1334 Posted 12 September 2014 - 09:23 AM

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As discussed a couple days ago (and about a dozen pages or so... holy cow) I wanted to start posting some resource material for the IS line from Tier VII until Tier X. Instead of trying to recreate information that is already out there- if folks want a one stop shop for existing material this is a great place to start. 

 

Unfortunately something I've just noticed is that the weakspot analyzer defaults to the IS7 so you still need to enter the name of the tank you're looking for. All the tanks that have that link have analysis... 

 

I think Willson is working on readers that incorporate the analyzer information- so as he completes his various documents I'll remove those links. 

 

RESOURCE LINKS FOR Tier VII IS: 

 

http://gamemodels3d.com/worldoftanks/vehicles/r2

 

http://www.worldoftanksguide.com/cgi-bin/tank_analyzer.cgi

 

VIDEO:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qErY6d4YSb8

 

RESOURCE LINKS FOR TIER VIII IS-3: 

 

http://wotguru.com/w...ots-guide-is-3/

 

http://gamemodels3d....ks/vehicles/r21

 

http://www.worldoftanksguide.com/cgi-bin/tank_analyzer.cgi

 

VIDEOS: 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_5HLGDPcDU

 

RESOURCE LINKS FOR TIER IX IS-8:

 

http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Tank:IS8

 

http://gamemodels3d.com/worldoftanks/vehicles/r45

 

VIDEOS

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1JrMBUTHdY

 

 

RESOURCE LINKS FOR TIER X IS-7:

 

http://wotguru.com/weak-spots-guide-is-7/

 

http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/IS-7

 

http://www.worldoftanksguide.com/cgi-bin/tank_analyzer.cgi

 

http://gamemodels3d.com/worldoftanks/vehicles/r28 (may need to pay)

 

VIDEOS:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmAVYh4Po_w



_ENO_ #1335 Posted 12 September 2014 - 10:32 AM

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I've slightly updated the TS3 link to account for the recent changes. One of the things I've just learned (that a few people already knew) is that if you want to be able to see who is in what room, you just need to subscribe to the room. To do this, select the room (eventually I expect you'll want to go through each room and subscribe to them individually) and instead of clicking "join channel" you will choose the "subscribe to channel" option. This will prevent you from having to join each room before you can see who is in it. This will be EXTREMELY helpful as we start to break into groups who we tend to gel with. 

 

Further thoughts on organization that have been brought to my attention by a variety of members got me reading the wiki again. Here is an entry describing 3 levels of "heavy infantry" within the military organization during the Roman Republic. (Technically there are 4 categories below but 1 -equites- is cavalry)

 

  • Equites (cavalry): The cavalry was originally the most prestigious unit, where wealthy young Roman men displayed their skill and prowess, laying the foundation for an eventual political career. 
  • The hastati (sing. hastatus) consisted of raw or inexperienced soldiers, considered to be less reliable than legionaries of several years' service. The Hastati were placed at the front for several reasons. One reason is the city of Rome could ill-afford to lose experienced soldiers, so they put the greenest soldiers at the front. If they survived, the Hastati/tus would gain invaluable experience. Another reason is if the newest soldiers succumbed to battle nerves and broke and tried to run, then there were experienced soldiers behind them to scare or comfort them.
  • The principes (sing. princeps) These were the more experienced soldiers, often better equipped than the Hastati, and having more experience on the battle field, they would take up the second line in the battle in the event the Hastati failed or fled. They were the second wave in an early Republican Legion before the military reforms of Marius.
  • The triarii (sing. triarius) were the veteran soldiers, to be used in battle only in extreme situations; they rested one knee down when not engaged in combat. The triarii served primarily as reserves or barrier troopsdesigned to backstop the hastati and principes, and were equipped with long hastae (spears) rather than the pilum and gladius (the hastati and principes stopped using spears in 387 BC). 

 

I don't think anyone fits the description of Hastati... but without reading into it TOO much I think it fits for people who are new to the group... still feeling their way through TS3 and some of the antics... still trying to adopt their play style to TS3  capability ETC. Hastati wouldn't reflect number of battles at all... some brand new members have 4k. Maybe a month? Maybe a vote? To discuss. 

 

I see opportunity for 4 groups:

 

1) Guys who want to compete and take their gameplay, communication and coordination to the next level. TS3 will be mandatory at this level only.

2) A swing group that enjoys being competitive and works with group 1 but also enjoys hanging back with group 3. As people move on with their lives or need to take a break, the supply of folks in group 2 will be drafted into group 1. This will also likely be where our members who are interested in helping others develop their skills may reside. 

3) A group of guys who aren't interested in the clan war aspect, and are more focused on participating at a casual level. We ALL help teach- but folks in this group don't make it a focus. 

4) New members to the clan will likely enter at this level until they get comfortable with the group. They can either move into group 3 and hang out... or move into the swing group 2. How this happens is open for debate... I expect that as senior folks talk on TS3 and figure out who fits where this distinction can be made. 

 

Triarii specifically were broken down into smaller Maniples... So in theory we could find different names for the 4 different Maniples. Alternatively, we could call our competitive members the Equites, our swing group the Principes and our casuals the Triarii... The reason I say this is that most of the guys who are happy being casual are still among the most experienced. The Hastati would be our group 4. 

 

Anyway- some EARLY morning thoughts as night shift draws to a close. 

 

 



Str8UpJack #1336 Posted 12 September 2014 - 11:43 AM

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View Postnaktl, on 12 September 2014 - 01:47 AM, said:

Had to stop playing tonight.  I could not get a win on my Jagdtiger.  I went 10 with only losses and draws.  I went back and looked and I was averaging well over 2k per map and still no wins.  Had Topguns and one Radley whatever.  No wins.  Had to stop.  Didn't want to have to replace another iPad.

Oh brother do I fell you pain

View PostFarmerHarv, on 12 September 2014 - 01:49 AM, said:

Had a quick random game with LarsG tonight (no platoon), he in a T32, and I had the turtle. I missed getting the screenshot, but he had a Tiger II on the run and was chasing it from about 5 feet behind it. Got a laugh out of me that startled the cat, and it made me wish for a replay/record option once again. 

 

Gotta get on TS yet, would have made that play much more entertaining. :-)

We'll of this was last night then I suspect you would have had a great time listening to Lars.. Based on some of the text messages I was receiving from him he was feeling no pain ;). I tried to hang out long enough to see him enter but too many late nights on TS this week!

View PostENO75, on 12 September 2014 - 04:25 AM, said:

We are going to be seeing a TON of these in the near future so here is a quick look at the KV5. 

 

 

 

LINKS: 

 

http://www.worldoftanksguide.com/cgi-bin/tank_analyzer.cgi

 

http://wotguru.com/weak-spots-guide-kv-5/

 

http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Tank:KV-5

 

http://gamemodels3d.com/worldoftanks/vehicles/r208 (May need to pay to get to this one and others in higher tiers.)

 

 

One thing I'm seeing very clearly is that the front hull, both up and lower glacis plates aren't even worth shooting at... ever. Upper turret side hits are going to result in almost guaranteed non-pen hits while straight on face shots in the little exposed areas around the mantel might squeak through. The elevated tower on the front left- the main radioman turret- (when facing the tank) is one of few weak spots I expect people will want to shoot at... while the driver's area on the right is better protected but still not a sure thing. 

 

From the rear it looks like that top deck runs a bit on the thin side while common stabbing shots in the lower area will still result in disappointing results.

 

 

 

This tank is actually very easy to pen.  At least as seen through the turret of my panther 1.  The large corners of the main turret were easily penetrated as was r2d2.  The problem is the hit points.  I had the guy down to 84HP but he scored one last shot on my paper tiger which killed me and ruined my desire to crush his $25 dollar purchase ;).  It might be a good credit maker but it's way too large of a target with weak spots all over it when you are equipped with a gun that has good pen.  Maybe it's been needed from the PC VERSION because I haven't been overly impressed by its abilities... Maybe I haven't seem the right driver behind the controls to impress me..


 

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_ENO_ #1337 Posted 12 September 2014 - 11:48 AM

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I'm going to correct my assessment... I meant the edges of the turret (when shot at from the front) result in an armour thickness of about 300+ mm so they're likely to bounce. If you hit the side of the turret (from the side)... well- different story! 

Str8UpJack #1338 Posted 12 September 2014 - 11:49 AM

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Eno, I think we need to move serious clan wars talk from here and get a thread of our own in the Clan section of the forum so we can keep the more serious clan talk separate from this thread.   Not that I don't think others are interested but it's just getting so hard to find posts in this thread due to its size..  If we are getting more serious then I think we should have our own little slice of space in the clan section anyway. 

 

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_ENO_ #1339 Posted 12 September 2014 - 11:54 AM

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Yeah I agree with that. I'll get one started in clan discussions... 

Str8UpJack #1340 Posted 12 September 2014 - 11:56 AM

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http://forum.wotblitz.com/index.php?/topic/4424-triarii-clan-aka-the-old-guys-iii/page__fromsearch__1

 

Our discussion on organizing into en entity that will complete when Clan Wars becomes a reality is over in the Clan Discussions section

 

 


 

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