ahredstealth, on 11 September 2015 - 02:54 PM, said:
I said at this time it's not cheating because that's what my response has been from an official Wargaming employee. That means that in the future, it may be cheating... or it may be completely and 101% okay to do.
Right now we don't know. So I'm not going to go around trumpeting out "CHEATER!" when I quite frankly don't know. I'm also not going to do my own interpretation of the user agreement and staunchly defend it because I've got 1337 copy and paste skillz, YO!
But yes, right now I believe it is not "ban-able cheating." If it was clear, cut, and dry, then that response would have been completely different. That tells me there is some sort of grey area here.
I would also like to point out that it absolutely matters what employees say. Especially when those employees are the contact on the Official forum for the game between the company and the players. If you honestly feel that employees for a company can say whatever they want and it's all hunky-dory because it doesn't effect that company until they produce an "official statement" then we will just have to agree to disagree. I can't imagine just spouting off random promises/statements in my company, especially to a customer, and not having that matter.
I think we're going to have to agree to disagree here. No, it is utterly irresponsible for a moderator to make a statement that could become policy, or could create a limitation on policy. However, I don't see that here. The response to you (like the response to M16) was "I don't have a response - we're figuring out what to say."
I see nothing in either moderator statement that offers a green light, saying something like "this is acceptable under the EULA." What I see is "we're working on how to respond to this." I think you're inventing an answer here, rather than just reading what they actually said.
MSixteen, on 11 September 2015 - 02:56 PM, said:
The thing is with this there is literally NO way for me to prove what I'm saying is the truth besides when I actually say it's the truth. I can't SHOW you what my game looks like when I'm not recording, and if I showed a screenshot with no mods, I'd be accused of uninstalling the mods then taking the screenshot.
Did you read my example above? If you punch your sister, claiming there's a mosquito, you're going to have to deal with the reality of the punch if you don't show a dead mosquito. It's twice as hard to convince people that there was a mosquito if you have a history of punching your sister. You're exactly right - as I pointed out, it's very difficult to prove a negative, prove that you're NOT using mods. But this is what happens when you go into a grey area of the rules.
Also, please don't misunderstand. I consider it a cheat to modify the game files. You modified the game files, so in my opinion, you cheated. And now that you've demonstrated that you know how to cheat, whether or not you're cheating now, it becomes a little more difficult for you to prove that you're not cheating. Also, by cheating, in my opinion you set a bad example for others. However, I've pointed out that it doesn't mean you *needed* the cheat, that it means you are fundamentally flawed and awful, or any such rubbish.
So does this mean you're going to take action, and start encouraging WG to shut off in-game mods? If nobody could install in-game mods, that would be an excellent way to ensure that nobody cheats, right? And it would completely solve any possibility that you'll be accused of cheating, right? Right? Hello?