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[reluctanttheist]

ahredstealth, on 15 September 2015 - 05:13 AM, said:

You know what this guy needs?  A hit skin mod for that glass...

 

Nah.  Just keeping hitting the center of mass 

[Rev_ianc_bell]

"Sure I cheat but it doesn't actually help me, I'm just doing it to help you."

 

NO

NO

NO

 

[George__S__Patton]

Fourteen pages of fun.

[ahredstealth]

reluctanttheist, on 15 September 2015 - 09:47 AM, said:

 

Nah.  Just keeping hitting the center of mass 

 

Not on the upper front plate unless you're shooting HEAT.

[MSixteen]

newebed, on 15 September 2015 - 05:01 AM, said:

Let's ask this guy if he thought you were helping him?

 

I was aimed center mass the entire time I shot at him, so I don't see how I fought the E8 would have been any different than if mods were installed or not

[MSixteen]

osxuser93, on 15 September 2015 - 06:56 AM, said:

 

Haven't commented much, but I've been watching this thread with considerable interest. However, I would like to point out that not a single one of these reasons justifies using the hit skin mod in any way.

 

1, 2, and 3: The fact that you (I mean "you" generically, including but not limited to MSixteen) have inferior hardware doesn't change what constitutes fair play. This is even more true when we're specifically talking about recording videos. From a completely objective standpoint, recording a video is an additional activity unrelated to actual gameplay. I'm afraid I don't see any logical reason why adding an extra activity in game justifies the use of a performance-enhancing mod.

 

4. We all agree you don't need them, and they likely only give you a negligible advantage. (This statement has been oft-repeated already.) However, I don't seem to recall you specifically saying you uninstall them whenever you're not recording. (If you have, please correct me - there's a lot of pages on this thread and I might have missed something.   Giving you the benefit of the doubt, however, this still doesn't address the factor of your influence on viewers, or fairness in the games during which you record.

 

5. I've been called a hacker just because people (still ) don't understand the spotting system. However, I am not actually a hacker, so I just laugh and go on. If someone is known to have actually hacked game files at times, it becomes much harder to prove your innocence. Thus, if I were to meet you in game, I wouldn't know whether you were playing with mods or without them. If your side won, I wouldn't know whether to trust that it was a fair win or that it was assisted with mods. If I knew nothing about this thread, I would simply assume it was because you are a superior player, but because I know about it, I will wonder. I will wonder even more when relatively new, low WR players pull epic wins against good players. It's not because that can never happen fairly, but the fact that they might have mods installed will make me question it.

 

6. Sorry, but this is phrased like an excuse. Let's just let that one go, because common sense would seem to indicate that the crew members are more likely to be in the middle of the cabin than anywhere else.

 

7. If this is simply a problem with hardware and a struggle with video editing, message me. I'm happy to help. I have a Mac, Adobe Premiere Pro, After Effects, etc. Video editing is a long-time hobby of mine, and if all it takes to solve this problem for you is to collaborate with a video editor, I would be honored to work with you. Then you get to make your educational videos the way you want them, accusations of cheating can cease, and you won't have to change your position if/when WG makes an official statement regarding mods.

 

1/2/3.) I was saying I jailbroke my phone in the first place to be able to record. I had the mod after I watched Bushka's video so I could show viewers where the mods are located on the tanks I was firing at so they could replicate it in their game.

4.) I have stated that I only have the mods installed while I'm recording, but I have also said sometimes because I'm lazy or forget they were installed for a few games while I was not

5.) can't really argue that. If you're suspicious, you're suspicious.

6.) IS-7's lower plate (weak spot) is where the driver is located. Many modules/crew are center mass. Weak spots and center mass are where people tend to aim

7.) PM me your email so we can talk about it further if you're actually serious 

[reluctanttheist]

MSixteen you record, and edit your games on your iOS device, yes?  Looks like iMovie on iOS.  

 

I think your computer could easily handle Reflector; it doesn't require a lot of power to save the incoming video stream.  And you'd never have to worry about running out of space on your device.  On the downside, iMovie really is a great editor and Windows Movie Maker is not quite as elegant, but it does do the YouTube upload quite nicely, and much faster than doing it straight from your iOS device.  Perhaps you move the edited movie over to your computer for uploading to YouTube.  Do you compress with Handbrake?  That also saves a ton of upload time.

[NICKEL_AND_DIME]

Does the EULA have a provision for players who have the hit skins installed, but do not actually utilize them?  Or is there a clause giving permissive endorsement for those who use the mods for instructional purposes?  WG really needs to speak out on this, as to if they allow it, or if they don't, and under what possible circumstances.  The feedback people are getting from WG seems inconsistent based on what is shared within this thread. 

[MSixteen]

reluctanttheist, on 15 September 2015 - 02:25 PM, said:

MSixteen you record, and edit your games on your iOS device, yes?  Looks like iMovie on iOS.  

 

I think your computer could easily handle Reflector; it doesn't require a lot of power to save the incoming video stream.  And you'd never have to worry about running out of space on your device.  On the downside, iMovie really is a great editor and Windows Movie Maker is not quite as elegant, but it does do the YouTube upload quite nicely, and much faster than doing it straight from your iOS device.  Perhaps you move the edited movie over to your computer for uploading to YouTube.  Do you compress with Handbrake?  That also saves a ton of upload time.

 

I can upload a 15 minute video in about 10 minutes with my college's wifi. At home that would take half a day, but while I'm at college the wifi works wonders on my phone. 

I use iMovie on my iPhone. The only other editing software I've used would be the Mac version of iMovie, and Final Cut Pro (on a mac) for a video class in high school. But again. I don't own a mac

[reluctanttheist]

Holy crap that's fast.  Your phone must smoke after the upload 

[koop123]

I often struggle with the Measurement Problem also! I have spent countless hours trying to feel myself split, even going over to Harbor Freight and Tool and purchasing their nifty Double Slit Experiment in a box--gotta love Smishsnack Inc, great firm, right up their with Chaos_Ascending's D.B.D, LLC. I just can not feel myself split into different universes. So I fall back to the comforts of the Copenhagen Interpretation--yet still can't understand how the actual measurement process picks out one of the possible states of the wave function. But I guess it is true that the observer measuring is what we have to focus on, not the electron or photon that is measured. I just love how they boil the photon changing its state--even going back in time--based on weather the detection device is trying to "see" which slit the photon "chooses" to pass through. . .to the innocuous "Measurement Problem."

 

But I STILL can not feel myself split!

 

I know the Cosmological Constant needs to be fine tuned" to one part in a trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion (yes, that many ((10)) trillions) in order for our universe to even exist, but do we need to accept Many Worlds to allow this to fit in the frame? There is a world that exists solely because a copy of The Book of the SubGenius has a typo on page 19? There, I just went and got a cup of coffee--wow, another universe is created because I really did not want a cup of coffee--I just wanted to create another universe! Quantum Suicide anyone. Do not Google that unless you want to spend an hour feeling like your mind is scrambled eggs?? Too many problems with Many Worlds. . .

 

Then I think of this: E pur si muove. Galileo was said to state, "And yet it moves" in defiant response to having to recant his claims that the earth revolves around the sun. It makes me realize that even though I can not feel the earth rotating at 1040 mph, or hurtling around the sun at 18.5 miles a second--it still does. . .and yet it moves. Perhaps we split trillions of times a day as one photon goes there. . .and not there. There is simply no way we will ever know. We follow the thread of time, even though it could be a web of mind-boggling complexity.

 

Wait--NO!!!!!!

 

Darn it, I thought I was on my fourth favorite forum called Pointless Knowledge Accumulated By Those Who Want to Fool Themselves Into Believing They Are Smart not the Blitz forum!!!! Wait, let me grab my cane, pick my pleb-not-good-enough-and-never-will-be-even-if-I-lived-to-3,234-to-be-in-Krieg-learn-how-to-drive-your-Obj140-not-like-the-scrub-you-are self (#waytoolongtotype) and rummage through my manilla envelope. Somewhere on papyrus--written with with my  fountain pen given to me by Ben Franklin, is my 3,000 word essay titled Why the Hit Skin Mod is More Evil Then the Bubonic Plague. I will sit here in my 1920's club chair, put on my bifocals and transpose it later. . .after my nap. Alright, I am learning more as I try to compensate for the death of my fragile driver--got to love Garbad's posts on wotlabs--so maybe saying it is as evil as the Bubonic Plague is a bit hyperbolic....but it is at least as evil as the Spanish Flu.

[ahredstealth]

reluctanttheist, on 15 September 2015 - 02:45 PM, said:

Holy crap that's fast.  Your phone must smoke after the upload 

 

Back when I was in college we had one of the fastest internet connection speeds in the tri-state area.

 

80% of our bandwidth was used for porn.

 

True story.

[CptCheez]

ahredstealth, on 15 September 2015 - 05:19 PM, said:

 

Back when I was in college we had one of the fastest internet connection speeds in the tri-state area.

 

80% of our bandwidth was used for porn.

 

True story.

 

Back when I was in college, the Internet was still just an idea in Al Gore's head.  Get off my lawn, young'inz!

[osxuser93]

_Irregular_Apocalypse_, on 15 September 2015 - 04:12 PM, said:

I often struggle with the Measurement Problem also! I have spent countless hours trying to feel myself split, even going over to Harbor Freight and Tool and purchasing their nifty Double Slit Experiment in a box--gotta love Smishsnack Inc, great firm, right up their with Chaos_Ascending's D.B.D, LLC. I just can not feel myself split into different universes. So I fall back to the comforts of the Copenhagen Interpretation--yet still can't understand how the actual measurement process picks out one of the possible states of the wave function. But I guess it is true that the observer measuring is what we have to focus on, not the electron or photon that is measured. I just love how they boil the photon changing its state--even going back in time--based on weather the detection device is trying to "see" which slit the photon "chooses" to pass through. . .to the innocuous "Measurement Problem."

 

But I STILL can not feel myself split!

 

I know the Cosmological Constant needs to be fine tuned" to one part in a trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion (yes, that many ((10)) trillions) in order for our universe to even exist, but do we need to accept Many Worlds to allow this to fit in the frame? There is a world that exists solely because a copy of The Book of the SubGenius has a typo on page 19? There, I just went and got a cup of coffee--wow, another universe is created because I really did not want a cup of coffee--I just wanted to create another universe! Quantum Suicide anyone. Do not Google that unless you want to spend an hour feeling like your mind is scrambled eggs?? Too many problems with Many Worlds. . .

 

Then I think of this: E pur si muove. Galileo was said to state, "And yet it moves" in defiant response to having to recant his claims that the earth revolves around the sun. It makes me realize that even though I can not feel the earth rotating at 1040 mph, or hurtling around the sun at 18.5 miles a second--it still does. . .and yet it moves. Perhaps we split trillions of times a day as one photon goes there. . .and not there. There is simply no way we will ever know. We follow the thread of time, even though it could be a web of mind-boggling complexity.

 

Wait--NO!!!!!!

 

Darn it, I thought I was on my fourth favorite forum called Pointless Knowledge Accumulated By Those Who Want to Fool Themselves Into Believing They Are Smart not the Blitz forum!!!! Wait, let me grab my cane, pick my pleb-not-good-enough-and-never-will-be-even-if-I-lived-to-3,234-to-be-in-Krieg-learn-how-to-drive-your-Obj140-not-like-the-scrub-you-are self (#waytoolongtotype) and rummage through my manilla envelope. Somewhere on papyrus--written with with my  fountain pen given to me by Ben Franklin, is my 3,000 word essay titled Why the Hit Skin Mod is More Evil Then the Bubonic Plague. I will sit here in my 1920's club chair, put on my bifocals and transpose it later. . .after my nap. Alright, I am learning more as I try to compensate for the death of my fragile driver--got to love Garbad's posts on wotlabs--so maybe saying it is as evil as the Bubonic Plague is a bit hyperbolic....but it is at least as evil as the Spanish Flu.

 

This. Is. Awesome.

 

Did you ever stop to consider all the unnecessary universes created by the states of the electrons on the servers at WG headquarters? Every time RNG decides whether my shot hits a tank, it defines a unique universe.

 

This made me think of the black hole scene of Interstellar. Need I say more?

[osxuser93]

MSixteen, on 15 September 2015 - 03:14 PM, said:

1/2/3.) I was saying I jailbroke my phone in the first place to be able to record. I had the mod after I watched Bushka's video so I could show viewers where the mods are located on the tanks I was firing at so they could replicate it in their game.

4.) I have stated that I only have the mods installed while I'm recording, but I have also said sometimes because I'm lazy or forget they were installed for a few games while I was not

5.) can't really argue that. If you're suspicious, you're suspicious.

6.) IS-7's lower plate (weak spot) is where the driver is located. Many modules/crew are center mass. Weak spots and center mass are where people tend to aim

7.) PM me your email so we can talk about it further if you're actually serious 

 

What I'm trying to say is that it looks like you are in a tough spot for video recording because you want to share things with your viewers that you can't currently do without installing mods. So in other words, if we can take care of the technical issues, it removes the necessity to venture into what is currently either a gray area or a forbidden area (depending on who you ask) of the EULA. 

 

On #6 I was basically agreeing with you, and I probably didn't make it clear enough. Aiming at the middle of the tank or the lower front plate is a smart thing to do in most cases, and you don't need game mods to understand that.

 

I will PM you this evening because yes, I am serious.  For the record, I'm also in college and so I can't promise to have loads of time to work on things, but I suggest we try doing one, and see how that goes for both of us. If you're happy with what I'm able to do, then we can figure out how to go from there.

[koop123]

osxuser93, on 15 September 2015 - 04:10 PM, said:

 

This. Is. Awesome.

 

Did you ever stop to consider all the unnecessary universes created by the states of the electrons on the servers at WG headquarters? Every time RNG decides whether my shot hits a tank, it defines a unique universe.

 

This made me think of the black hole scene of Interstellar. Need I say more?

I love you....actually I really am in love with you...ahh but I kid! Love you for putting that idea in my mind....but why am I always the man who ends up in the cube of water under the stage (no? Please go watch The Prestige!!!!) I always am the me that gets the, "that one bounced!" By the way, I imagine the voice actor that WG as a 45 year old name Kieth, from Cooperstown (he has a small home studio in Karla's old room) who one day decided to download this, "little carootony tank game some Russian pinko company paid me under scale to spout some nonsense about penetration" and couldn't stop screaming every time he got toasted in tier I. But it's odd because in a way he is shouting at himself, as he hears his own voice shout back, "That one bounced!" I just want to finally split into the universe where I don't drive my Obj 140 like Mrs Daisy and achieve a few points about 31% WR.

[Fwarnt]

Awesome DrFerd!

[gogo_gadget_arms]

Although I suggested we stop focusing on a particular person, that is extremely well done and absolutely hilarious! 10/10.

 

TIFF is on right now ... I could see if it's not too late to submit it for the festival?

 

P.S. My favourite line was actually the woman's.

[ahredstealth]

I've heard that all the cool kids now-a-days compare people they don't like to Hitler.

 

Oh wait...  that's been going on for over a decade all across internet forums.  I will admit, taking the time to edit a video shows some serious dedication.

 

I also enjoy watching people slap the upvote after a video calls the forums a "wretched hive of scum and villainy" on the forums...

 

All we are missing at this point is saying something like...

 

"THESE HIT SKIN MODS ARE A SLAP IN THE FACE!!!111!!!!1!!!"  (It's the slap in the face part that has been over done on the internet to the point ad nauseam.

[someguyfromPitt]

Hitler DOES use hit skin mods. He and Chuck Norris are the only two players to ammo rack me in a T-54.