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WhiskeyCyclone #21 Posted 07 October 2015 - 07:49 PM

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View PostXeraux, on 07 October 2015 - 01:40 PM, said:

Just deal with it. It's not changing.

 


                                        

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ErvinTarczay #22 Posted 07 October 2015 - 07:51 PM

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All T-54 drivers: this tank is fine. 

Everyone else who has had their tank blown up: whaaa!  OP!

 

 


Google "Rule of Large Numbers" and "Confirmation Bias" and stop posting complaints about MM.  

 

 


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View PostPraeceladon, on 07 October 2015 - 07:43 PM, said:

Lower its rof to 5 and give it 70 turret armor like Leo.
I think that's fair.

Just bought Leo and it's awful [edited].

 

The PTA needs a buff.  Though I have sold mine after researching the Leo 1 and had better stats in the PTA than almost anyone.  Despite those things I still say it needs help.  Why does it have inferior DPM given its other obvious weaknesses?

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View Postglass2707, on 07 October 2015 - 02:14 PM, said:

 

The PTA needs a buff.  Though I have sold mine after researching the Leo 1 and had better stats in the PTA than almost anyone.  Despite those things I still say it needs help.  Why does it have inferior DPM given its other obvious weaknesses?

 

isn't it really fast at least?

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View PostTrandecend, on 07 October 2015 - 06:06 PM, said:

i think the other meds should be buffed. 100mms wreck the 105's of other mediums

 

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View Postkewlstory, on 07 October 2015 - 08:16 PM, said:

 

isn't it really fast at least?

 

The value of that compared to the trade offs isn't a good one IMO.  Though if you look at one it does seem to have tail lights.  As if it is a  sports car or something.

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The problem is (yes i can hear the groans already) Russian Bias. The T 54 is just the usual with Russian tanks, not totally overpowered, but defiantley borderline. As with most Russian tanks, they arent nerfed because the WRs stay fairly low because almost every average joe plays Russian tanks because they are borderline OP. Therefore, the suck players balance the WR out, no nerf.

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Stop crying and deal with it ! U must have had alot bad run ins with some really good T54 drivers with expert skills, all ya can do is just brush off the defeat then improvise and adapt. T54 isnt that OP or i would be a unicum already.

 

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View PostAOT_Jaeger2, on 07 October 2015 - 08:30 PM, said:

The problem is (yes i can hear the groans already) Russian Bias. The T 54 is just the usual with Russian tanks, not totally overpowered, but defiantley borderline. As with most Russian tanks, they arent nerfed because the WRs stay fairly low because almost every average joe plays Russian tanks because they are borderline OP. Therefore, the suck players balance the WR out, no nerf.

 

I think this is it in a nutshell.

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View Postkewlstory, on 07 October 2015 - 08:16 PM, said:

 

isn't it really fast at least?

 

T54 is just as fast.

The power to weight ratio is pretty much the same.

34 tons with a 700hp engine for 54

39 tons with an 830hp engine for leo

 

Leo weighs 5 tons heavier

And t54 has more than what 200 turret armor? And 120 hull armor in a smaller lighter tank? That doesn't even make sense physically. 



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View PostCptCheez, on 07 October 2015 - 10:58 AM, said:

 

Yes, it's been up on Google Docs for almost a year now:

http://forum.wotblitz.com/index.php?/topic/6425-all-tank-guns-in-one-spreadsheet/

 

If you'd like, I could put all the Tier 9 mediums into one tab for comparison's sake.  Or whatever else you want to compare side-by-side.

 

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48ton_ruckus had an interesting graphic on a recent vid showing that while the T54 was OP in North America, Asia and European servers, it was less successful on the Russian server and that, he suggested, was the reason for the buff >>> Russian bias anyone?

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The recent buffs helped, but it still needs some small buffs IMO...

                                                         

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View PostHan_Y0lo, on 21 October 2015 - 04:51 PM, said:

48ton_ruckus had an interesting graphic on a recent vid showing that while the T54 was OP in North America, Asia and European servers, it was less successful on the Russian server and that, he suggested, was the reason for the buff >>> Russian bias anyone?

 

 

They likely have the same thing we see here for American tanks.  Bad stats in them because people tend to gravitate towards them as their first choice.  As a result there are a lot of bad American tank drivers.  Honestly I don't consider the T-54 to be over powered.  Also they didn't make it better at all.  They marginally buffed the damage while decreasing the rate of fire.  They also improved the 2nd best gun so that it wasn't THAT much worse than best one.  Though it is still worse.



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View Postglass2707, on 07 October 2015 - 02:10 PM, said:

Personally I don't find the T-54 to be over powered.  All of the tier 9 mediums are very good except the PTA which is what it is.  My stats in the other mediums are better.  Even my PTA stats are better though that is a function of when I played them.  The T54 was my first tier 9 medium.  I didn't have lots of free exp at that point to unlock most of the modules right away, etc... .  So directly comparing my personal stats is somewhat misleading and favors the other mediums.

 

You guys are overselling the strengths and underselling the weaknesses.  Armor isn't as good as you make it out to be.  It has zero gun depression and the regular AP round has very mediocre pen.  In the right situation played to its strengths a T-54 is excellent.  Putting itself in those situations is hardly automatic though.  I don't see a T-54 on the other team and start worrying or anything.  The claim of some on this thread that they have never seen a T-54 lose one on one is absurd.  I see them defeated all the time by tanks at lower tiers even.  I have killed IS-7s with a Pershing.  KV-3s, Comets, etc with a JgPzIV.  Etc, etc...  

 

Really good post as usually. The T-54 is not OP. It's not even the best medium. I good Patton driver can make a T-54 look silly. Yes the T-54 has some amazing attributes but it's far from perfect. 1v1 the M46 will out DPM the T-54 and if he uses this gun depression as he should it won't be close. 


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Russian bias isn't a thing. If it were a thing, then why don't they have -50 degrees of gun depression and a 99.9% camo rating? The other nations have arguably a bigger potential to be great in the right hands. Deal with it.



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It’s got a very low pen for regular AP
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View Postdport02, on 04 February 2018 - 11:46 PM, said:

It’s got a very low pen for regular AP

 

Care to look at the date the topic was created?





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