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johndd1_winner #21 Posted 24 December 2015 - 08:58 PM

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View PostY0U_SHALL_N0T_PASS, on 24 December 2015 - 08:54 PM, said:

 

If WG don't want people buying it, why they bother making another announcement about this sale? This don't make any sense.

 

The Type 59 is available now in the Premium shop via two different bundles. Get it before it disappears January 4!

 

Because they want to give people the opportunity to own the tank on this platform. If you want the type, better be prepared to go big to get it. Too rich for your blood? Oh well, we gave you the chance. AND we even gave a bunch away for free. Now stop asking us for it. Also, see my post above with the images for further clues.


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View Postjohndd1_winner, on 24 December 2015 - 05:56 PM, said:

Here are a couple images of what WoT pc was like when the type 59 was on sale for $35. This is the mistake I believe WG is trying to avoid in Blitz. I, for one, hope they succeed...

 

The problem in the WOT PC happened bacause it was too OP. The 59's in Blitz is just a "OK", nerfed to hell tank. You can sell 1000 units and still it will not unbalance the matches.



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View PostY0U_SHALL_N0T_PASS, on 24 December 2015 - 09:01 PM, said:

 

The problem in the WOT PC happened bacause it was too OP. The 59's in Blitz is just a "OK", nerfed to hell tank. You can sell 1000 units and still it will not unbalance the matches.

Nerfed to hell, huh? I've got almost 600 battles in the type on PC, and only about 20 in blitz. So far, it feels pretty much the same. It's been sluggish since it was nerfed on PC years ago and has always had a weak ammo rack. The gun depression, as near as I can tell, hasn't been reduced. If it has (as WG initially claimed) it hasnt been reduced to the point of being unusable. In short, the type is not op, nor has it been since before it was nerfed years ago. It's the same as it is on PC for all intents and purposes when you consider the smaller maps and team sizes.

 

If the tank cost $20-30 you would be seeing entire teams at t8 composed of the type. Who in the hell would want to see that? 

 

And btw, it wasn't over popated just because it was op, it was over populated because it was a good medium premium tier 8 tank which at its time of release was one-of-a-kind.

 

The type is perfectly priced IMO. I've already stated the case why. Believe it or not, I no longer care.

I bought the $70 bundle. It's a good value when you consider the gold. I hope the population stays low so I don't have to see 10 of them every battle.


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tlouie #24 Posted 24 December 2015 - 09:24 PM

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View PostY0U_SHALL_N0T_PASS, on 24 December 2015 - 02:59 PM, said:

 

What are you talking about? You don't need to do a search to have your tanks registered in wotbstars. The numbers are from the game database.

 

Once a username is searched via wotbstars, only then are those player's stats pulled from the game database via the WP API.

 

If a user is never searched in wotbstars, then wotbstars just plain doesn't have stats for that player and their tanks.



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View Postjohndd1_winner, on 24 December 2015 - 06:18 PM, said:

Nerfed to hell, huh? I've got almost 600 battles in the type on PC, and only about 20 in blitz. So far, it feels pretty much the same. It's been sluggish since it was nerfed on PC years ago and has always had a weak ammo rack. The gun depression, as near as I can tell, hasn't been reduced. If it has (as WG initially claimed) it hasnt been reduced to the point of being unusable. In short, the type is not op, nor has it been since before it was nerfed years ago. It's the same as it is on PC for all intents and purposes when you consider the smaller maps and team sizes.

 

If the tank cost $20-30 you would be seeing entire teams at t8 composed of the type. Who in the hell would want to see that? 

 

And btw, it wasn't over popated just because it was op, it was over populated because it was a good medium premium tier 8 tank which at its time of release was one-of-a-kind.

 

The type is perfectly priced IMO. I've already stated the case why. Believe it or not, I no longer care.

I bought the $70 bundle. It's a good value when you consider the gold. I hope the population stays low so I don't have to see 10 of them every battle.

 

Ok, we have different point of views, I know I will not change yours and you will not change mine.


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I'm still just waiting for the opportunity to get my hands on Mr 59. Although it's AU$80...:coin:

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View Posttlouie, on 24 December 2015 - 06:24 PM, said:

 

Once a username is searched via wotbstars, only then are those player's stats pulled from the game database via the WP API.

 

If a user is never searched in wotbstars, then wotbstars just plain doesn't have stats for that player and their tanks.

 

If this information is correct, didn't know that. Thank you for the explanation.



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Its totally not worth it. Get a T34 for half the cost and print more credits. 

 

If you want a tank with prefered match making, the IS6 is a much better choice. 

 

Dont be a sheep in a Type 59, be a wolf in a T34. 

 


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View PostY0U_SHALL_N0T_PASS, on 24 December 2015 - 04:36 PM, said:

 

If this information is correct, didn't know that. Thank you for the explanation.

 

I tell no lies.

 

The WG API, which can be explored here:

 

https://na.wargaming...b/account/list/

 

... has methods for retrieving details per username, and limited means of finding usernames by partial name search, but there is simply no way to query the WG data database for all players, much less all players who own a certain tank.

 

This is why every discussion about wotbstars averages is always prefaced with "of the population of players who are in the wotbstars database, which is a self selected subset of the actual player population".  At least, the valid discussions are.


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View Postjohndd1_winner, on 24 December 2015 - 12:56 PM, said:

Here are a couple images of what WoT pc was like when the type 59 was on sale for $35. This is the mistake I believe WG is trying to avoid in Blitz. I, for one, hope they succeed...

Except that applies to every time they have a really nice tank for sale. This literally does not happen anymore as it became more rare. First couple days of a big sale, of course

everyone is going to have it.

 

That's like me posting a screen shot of 8vs8 japanese tier 1 tanks. Not surprising and according to that logic, that's not what WG wants either?


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View Postjohndd1_winner, on 24 December 2015 - 03:56 PM, said:

Here are a couple images of what WoT pc was like when the type 59 was on sale for $35. This is the mistake I believe WG is trying to avoid in Blitz. I, for one, hope they succeed...

 

The thing is, is that the PC (pre-nerf) Type-59 was OP, mind you not intentionally, the tier VIII bracket got saturated with them and WG had to do emergency damage control to keep the Type 59 spam under control.

 

 

Here, however, they've had a chance to make the tank balanced (and it is, it's a shadow of what its PC counterpart was). WG doesn't want to keep the user base of the vehicle low, no more than they'd want to keep the IS-6 userbase low. The reason it's so expensive is because WG think they can sell a not-so-OP tank on hype and reputation alone. It has nothing to do with keeping it exclusive, it's all about profit.

 

Unfortunately for WG, they're not doing so well with it. Like what was mentioned above, even the T34 1776, a tank with far far less hype, has sold a little under 4x more. Now, WoTBstars only takes into account those registered into the database via searching, but it still serves as an ample sample size, and comparing the number of T34 1776's [1106] to Type 59s [304] (two tier VIII tanks that have been exclusive offers and haven't been sold since), you can see that the price point is really hurting sales.

That's why WG is putting up this "Testimonial" post in the news feed. It's just not selling.


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They should have sold it at $25 for the tank and $40 for the bundle.


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$50 for pixels that can/will be nerf'd----- yeah... I was born at night....but not lastnight. 

 


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It does do what it says and I do average 1 to 2 kills per battle but I don't think my win rate can handle playing this tank much longer- it almost seems cursed to me. I will win ten out of 12 tank battles in my other tanks but then loose ten straight in this tank. It's driving me a little crazy! I would love to know if the matchmaking is done in a way that hamstrings your chances at a team win. The one actual weakness of this tank is it's penetration. Even capped at tier nine you have to use premium shells to penetrate most opponents when the battle starts. So no wonder you aren't allowed to play in tier ten - the tank would be truly worthless. The only other negative is that I have yet to have a battle with this tank that I have really dominated. Even tanks I have struggled with in the past, I normally have at least a few battles with big wins - but maybe I haven't played it long enough yet.

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People should not buy this tank. No way. DO NOT BUY IT! Not worth it. Buy the IS-6, or T-34, but do not buy the Type 59. That being said, I really like mine!

 

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View Postgffcom, on 24 December 2015 - 11:30 PM, said:

People should not buy this tank. No way. DO NOT BUY IT! Not worth it. Buy the IS-6, or T-34, but do not buy the Type 59. That being said, I really like mine!

 

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Type 59 is complete garbage, NOT worth the money and wish to get it back!!! 

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Anyone want to buy it for me? 

  

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Well as i said in my review it is very fragile and at best a medocer tank to put it mildly, its armor gun mobility and everything else about this tank has been double nerfed from pc, As of right now a stock t44 with the 43 gun is better by a pretty large margin.

 

This tank needs a rof buff and likely a turret cheek buff as well to make it onpar with a partly upgraded t44 god forbid fully upgraded, right now its...ok but has a very high skill floor to even make it work and a very very narrow skill roof as well, at $20-$30 it MIGHT be worth it at $50-70 no way in hell, Am i glad i got mine.....yes and no, Yes because i collect tanks and hope this one gets a buff to make it enjoyable, no because for what you get its not worth the money and the tank is not that good, Only positive is the credits and its not another damn heavy, However even an IS6 or T34 or even victory, su122, e25 and so on make as much or more on average.


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I love how WG cherry-picks from our comments in order to promote the -59.

 

I enjoy playing the -59, but it's not strong enough to allow a player of my skill level to consistently win with. After 120-ish games, I'm struggling to maintain a 58% win rate with it. I could increase that to maybe 62% if I was more liberal with APCR, but APCR really kills off the credit earning potential...I'd rather play my T-54 if I'm going to earn less than 20k credits in a battle. 

 

It is, however, the most fun I've had grinding credits...which has really been getting old. 


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