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Geewizz3 #101 Posted 11 January 2016 - 09:52 PM

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View PostGenericMIKE, on 11 January 2016 - 07:39 PM, said:

Wargaming why you do this to us?

I'm quitting the game till you reintroduce +/- 2 MM. 

 

I loved this MM b//c of the challenge. Now there is no challenge. Making the game boring and not fun. The hype after camo will wear off after a few days and gameplay will be static.

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By the way, since we are the test server for this new MM, is it b.c we always came last in all the server-wide contests?

 

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View PostSenator_Ratbat, on 11 January 2016 - 03:39 PM, said:

Just to be clear, this change is not permanent. Improving MM is not this simple, this test is just a step being rolled out to one server instead of all servers. We will review in-game data as well as feedback to determine where to go from here. I realize the benefit of some premium tanks is the pref MM. Should the change become permanent we will share what the plan is for premium tanks. 

 

I thank you and my Ram II thanks you! That thing really should have had pref. MM!

 

I bought a Type 59 recently as well... it's a great tank. I don't think losing -2 will make any difference in win rate - but when my Type win rate goes down I now have something to blame it on! Thanks WG. :trollface:


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WhiskeyCyclone #103 Posted 11 January 2016 - 09:55 PM

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It should be interesting to see how it all turns out. But what about everyone who paid for the privelidge of preferred matchmaking by buying a premium tank? Will preferred matchmaking mean same tier only for premium tanks with pmm? I doubt it, though it does exist for the b2. So if we only see +1/-1 mm, my premiums (with preferred mm) should always be top tier, or some compensation of some kind would be nice if the test phase goes permanent. Yay or nay?

                                        

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PhiliPTran #104 Posted 11 January 2016 - 09:58 PM

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WG. You will now see a surge in unpopular tanks being used and popular ones used even more now.  Maybe you can use that data to start buffing or nerfing tanks.

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KevnxKilla #105 Posted 11 January 2016 - 10:09 PM

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Wargaming, if you REALLY want a definitive test you need to make the tanks with prefferential matchmaking still have their prefferential matchmaking during the test. (prefferential during the test would be +0/-1) This would give more definitive and accurate feedback as to whether or not this is a good idea in the long run.

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Are we that bad in NA that we can't work out our role in the battle?

This will make the good better and the bad passable. ( they'll still sit in the open getting pummeled.


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I am interested in seeing how this plays out


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This is ridiculous. I don't know of a single serious player who wants this. Way to screw over your serious players who spent good money on their pref MM premium tanks.

I have been on a bit of a hiatus from blitz recently and unless when wargaming says this is "temporary", they mean like 1 day, I'm done with the nonsense.

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View PostMajor_BUZZK1LL, on 11 January 2016 - 04:13 PM, said:

This is ridiculous. I don't know of a single serious player who wants this. Way to screw over your serious players who spent good money on their pref MM premium tanks.

I have been on a bit of a hiatus from blitz recently and unless when wargaming says this is "temporary", they mean like 1 day, I'm done with the nonsense.

 

I'm totz cereal and I want this.

 

So... one.

 

Also, they already did say it's temporary...  Which would be why we are the test server... so they can look at the data...  and if it becomes permanent they will look at the tanks that had Pref MM...  Did you read through the thread, or just fly off the handle?


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View PostDadNeedsADrink, on 12 January 2016 - 12:32 AM, said:

I imagine we're probably going to see the biggest effect on tier IX, as that will receive no benefit on the top end (it's already +1) and will now be limited on the bottom end (-1 vs -2). Considering 2.5 also includes a Tortoise nerf at the same time, I'm really wishing I finished that grind already. Life also got harder for the Leo PTA... ouch.

 

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I'm sorry, but....

 

 

 

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I paid good honest money for tanks that I knew had a preferential match making "advantage". If WG essentially negates this advantage by giving it to all tanks, I will feel ripped off since I purchased most of the premiums with pref MM for that reason. I think the only fair thing for WG to do if they make this a permanent change is to give those premiums an additional MM advantage over non pref MM tanks. In regards to the Valentine or B2 which already gets -0+0, they should buff the gun or armor to make good. If they don't compensate this change in some way, WG has seen the last of my cold hard cash.

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View PostTurboTIB, on 12 January 2016 - 01:37 AM, said:

I paid good honest money for tanks that I knew had a preferential match making "advantage". If WG essentially negates this advantage by giving it to all tanks, I will feel ripped off since I purchased most of the premiums with pref MM for that reason. I think the only fair thing for WG to do if they make this a permanent change is to give those premiums an additional MM advantage over non pref MM tanks. In regards to the Valentine or B2 which already gets -0+0, they should buff the gun or armor to make good. If they don't compensate this change in some way, WG has seen the last of my cold hard cash.

 

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Goddammit, tier X won't be fun anymore, lol

 

No tier 12 or 8 :(


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View PostTurboTIB, on 11 January 2016 - 10:37 PM, said:

I paid good honest money for tanks that I knew had a preferential match making "advantage". If WG essentially negates this advantage by giving it to all tanks, I will feel ripped off since I purchased most of the premiums with pref MM for that reason. I think the only fair thing for WG to do if they make this a permanent change is to give those premiums an additional MM advantage over non pref MM tanks. In regards to the Valentine or B2 which already gets -0+0, they should buff the gun or armor to make good. If they don't compensate this change in some way, WG has seen the last of my cold hard cash.

 

I know it takes a bit of effort to look at previous pages but let me reiterate

 

  • +1/-1 matchmaker is a "test"
  • It will start with update 2.5 and end with update 2.6
  • we will be looking at the data after the test to make a determination on what to do with MM
  • should +1/-1 stats look good then we will determine what will be done with Premium Tanks that have pref MM

 

 

 

 



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View PostGenericMIKE, on 11 January 2016 - 12:54 PM, said:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

 

How could you!!!!!

 

GIVE US BACK THAT +/- 2 MM!

 

 

 

 I liked the original MM. I found no fault in it, very little at best. No more carry as a low low tier tank, but I guess you can never feel completely useless in a game either. This will be an interesting test. Will it extend the length of games then? Since there's less hit points and etc.


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I think this is great. I've been playing now for about a year and a half and have noticed in recent months that there is a severe lack of competitive games, particularly at the higher tiers. There seems to be far too many 7-0 or 7-1 games and this needed to be addressed. The lack of competitive balance in these games takes the fun out of it. 

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View Postboppinbobby, on 11 January 2016 - 02:11 PM, said:

Are we that bad in NA that we can't work out our role in the battle?

 

Yes

 

View PostTommy_S, on 11 January 2016 - 02:43 PM, said:

Goddammit, tier X won't be fun anymore, lol

 

No tier 12 or 8 :(

 

Main reason for me playing tier 8

 

View PostNitromemania, on 11 January 2016 - 02:45 PM, said:

 Will it extend the length of games then? Since there's less hit points and etc.

 

I think this would be a good idea


 

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Wait a second! If this works! Light tanks could have a great role in the game then having a +\- 2 matchmaking in the game! For the future 


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   I personally enjoy the challenge presented in +2/-2 matchmaking. Implementing +1/-1 will balance the game, but so would +0/-0. I enjoy playing video games for the challenge it brings, making changes like this eliminates the variety I enjoy when playing WoT. It's fun playing a few games as the top tier tank, but equally as enjoyable to take on the challenge of being on the bottom. I believe it has helped me learn different strategies and made me a better player by learning how to cope with tanks that have a distinct advantage over my tank. 

    That being said I understand this is a "test", so I'm happy our server was chosen to try out this new system. This should be fun and interesting. Looking forward to see what the data says after our little experiment runs its course. 

    


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View PostNitromemania, on 11 January 2016 - 05:47 PM, said:

Wait a second! If this works! Light tanks could have a great role in the game then having a +\- 2 matchmaking in the game! For the future 

 

Thats what I was thinking. Some tanks will eventually get better or worse MM based on their role. I won't mind getting into Tier 7 matches with a Crusader or something like an AMX ELC if that ever happens

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