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sheikyerbooti #21 Posted 11 March 2016 - 11:01 PM

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There is no logical argument to support what is the bottom line; you're in a full-up tier 6 tank (name your favorite), and you come up against an IS3 with a three shell auto loader. You can say this or that, but at the end of the day you either 1) stop playing Blitz; 2) come to grips with the fact that your win/loss ratio is going to tube while you grind through the tiers; or 3) pay the company real money to literally "buy" an even match. Guess what the company wants? And that's fine; like every other company on the planet, they're in it for the money. I know there are those of you who see no problem with the pairings, but you're either bullies, or anti-intellectual. For rank and file gamers, no good can come from this. There will always be campers; there will always be talented naturals; there will always be folks on the back-side of the IQ curve...that's life.  That said, tier 10 tankers will soon find that they're only playing other tier 10 tanks, not because Wargaming woke-up to problem, but because everyone else quit. The game was always a fun challenge; how do you honestly feel about Blitz these days? Think about it...

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View Postraffaelle01, on 10 March 2016 - 02:24 AM, said:

It just doesn't make sense. It makes sense in the PC version, but when you're in a team of seven, facing a e75 in a kv3 or t29 is not challenging, it's hopeless. What are you supposed to do? Flank? Use prem ammo? Still inefficient.

This is what I would tell my nephews.

 

The standard approach for the KV-3 would be to find a good sidescraping position.  For the T-29, hull-down instead.

 

in both cases:

- load APCR and pop the adrenaline, things are going to get tense for a little while.

- don't over-expose. Make it harder for him to hit you.

- keep moving and hope you bounce a few shots.

- know and aim for his weak spots.

- eliminate any lower tier supporting tanks, get him alone.

- track him so it's easier for a higher tier team-mate to hit him.

- most importantly, gang up on him with one or more other tanks. He can't target you all at the same time. Someone keeps him distracted and someone else flanks him.

- if you have most of your hitpoints left, be willing to take a hit if necessary to keep a lower hp team-mate alive and in the game.

 

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raffaelle01 #23 Posted 12 March 2016 - 06:56 AM

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Yes, but that's only one situation you described. 

These tips don't apply to all of the gameplay, which can suck bad because of the MM.

Besides, what is the point in this MM anyway? Why is it necessary? How is it better from the +1/-1?



quasar_kid #24 Posted 12 March 2016 - 08:36 PM

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View Postraffaelle01, on 12 March 2016 - 01:56 AM, said:

Yes, but that's only one situation you described. 

These tips don't apply to all of the gameplay, which can suck bad because of the MM.

Besides, what is the point in this MM anyway? Why is it necessary? How is it better from the +1/-1?

 

The game doesn't suck because of the match making.  Some people, make that many people, just don't want to go to the effort of learning to play the game well. 

 

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_TheBull_ #25 Posted 12 March 2016 - 09:04 PM

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The single most important value of the +2/-2 MM is learning skill.  Being -2 means a small mistake has big consequences.  You are actually forced as a -2 player to think about every aspect of the game.... Positioning... Tank strengths and weaknesses... Strategies and tactics... Flow of the game...  a single mistake in any part of the game can cost you big time.

 

The second advantage of +2/-2: the game is more complex and varied.  Being +2 is a much different play style than -2.  This requires you to adapt different play styles in the same tank depending on rank.

 

There is no right or wrong in the MM.  Some folks want the game to be more constant and forgiving with +1/-1... Others (like me) enjoy the challenge of +2/-2.

 

 



Original_Grantsta #26 Posted 12 March 2016 - 11:36 PM

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+2/-2 is horrible. If your top tier tanks play poorly, you have no chance to win. I just witnessed a battle of 3 medium/light  tier 7s who literally couldn't penetrate a Tier 9 heavy and he won despite having 10 hp against all of them having most of their HP. Positioned so that they coudln't ram them, overlooking flag, it was impossible to win. I too have quite a few battles under +2/-2 from before it was removed, and now that it's back, like others, I will be parking anything below Tier 9.

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I hate +2/-2... Make it go away....and never bring it back again.

Go_Away_Kid #28 Posted 14 March 2016 - 02:12 AM

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I played 9 games so far today and only won 2 and after each game i looked at my team and all of them had 500 games or less 3 were under 200. The game is not fun. The mm should be by how many games played so if you have over 11000 games you should play against people with the same or higher.If you have 500games you should be playing people Who have 500 and under and so on. Instead im getting stuck with teams that camp. Run into buildings and everyone is all over the map. No teamwork because they dont know how to play yet. I was a noob at one time so i get it but i should have been playing with other noobs until i learn the game

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David_Rish #29 Posted 14 March 2016 - 07:05 AM

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L m a o ,at developers replying to this thread. Bottom line they want your money.

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View PostScott_Farkus, on 10 March 2016 - 07:46 AM, said:

 

I agree. A tier seven in a tier nine game really made you think about every decision.  As I mentioned in another post, some of my best games came as low tier. It really caused me to strategize more than I did when high tier. 

... and just in the middle of weighing my options, one shot from a +2 tank ends all of my options.



adamv58 #31 Posted 14 March 2016 - 02:39 PM

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Three tiers delta in release 2.7, hardly fair...had a game tier 5-8...bring back +1/-1

 


Edited by adamv58, 14 March 2016 - 02:54 PM.


M_cesar97 #32 Posted 14 March 2016 - 05:39 PM

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>>> Acho MUITO injusto combates com lvl +2/-2. Não faz sentido. É o mesmo que misturar lvl 3 com lvl 1 em uma partida. Os desenvolvedores estão atrapalhando a jogabilidade deste jogo!!! 

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>>> Acho MUITO injusto combates com lvl +2/-2. Não faz sentido. É o mesmo que misturar lvl 3 com lvl 1 em uma partida. Os desenvolvedores estão atrapalhando a jogabilidade deste jogo!!! 

Airborne_Jawbreaker #34 Posted 17 March 2016 - 02:45 PM

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Back to top tier gets all the kills and low tier get's to run around trying to get an angle that allows their shot to have effect... then boom one or two shot and done.  No fun, If I'm an 8 against 10s I'll just rush and get the inevitable over, no point wasting time on another pointless match.  Have the most fun when I'm the middle tier and at least skill comes into play.  So big fat vote for ±1 here

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I find +2/-2 to be unsatisfactory, bring back +1/-1. I'm sick and tired of being a 5 or 6 facing two tiers higher that I can't even damage. So anything above level 3 is officially parked.

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View Posttweek_1, on 17 March 2016 - 09:07 PM, said:

I find +2/-2 to be unsatisfactory, bring back +1/-1. I'm sick and tired of being a 5 or 6 facing two tiers higher that I can't even damage. So anything above level 3 is officially parked.

 

Good, because that's obviously where your skill level lies. Don't go trying to punch above your weight when you can't manage to do it.

 

If you can't do well in a T8 tank in a T10 match, then you won't do well in a T10 tank in a T10 match...


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Is that right MSixteen, I guess your skill levels lies in punching at tiers two levels below yourself.

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View Postraffaelle01, on 10 March 2016 - 07:24 AM, said:

It just doesn't make sense. It makes sense in the PC version, but when you're in a team of seven, facing a e75 in a kv3 or t29 is not challenging, it's hopeless. What are you supposed to do? Flank? Use prem ammo? Still inefficient.

 

I just don't understand why people are so against an equal team. It's not less challenging, it's even more challenging. 

Facing an opponent with your skill, not with the fact that you lucked out on MM and no matter what you do, his shells won't penetrate your armor. That's no skill, that's just bad coding.

 

and to all of you who say "stop whining" - go suck a lollipop.

I agree, and it is more than that. Players quit early when they are -2. Sure there are some games where you get a good -2 player, but more often than not u lose fast. 

 

Another point, why can't there at least be balance?  Equal amounts of each tier on each team? Too many games there were green team has 2 tier X, 3 tier 9 and 2 tier 8 red team will have 3 tier X,  3 tier 9 and 1 tier 8?????

 

 

 


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View Posttweek_1, on 18 March 2016 - 08:01 AM, said:

Is that right MSixteen, I guess your skill levels lies in punching at tiers two levels below yourself.

 

or you know... the fact that i got a 5.3k dmg game in my JP2 against a GRIM platoon in an IS-7 and an E3 suggests otherwise, but if that makes you feel better...

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View PostMSixteen, on 18 March 2016 - 05:09 AM, said:

 

Good, because that's obviously where your skill level lies. Don't go trying to punch above your weight when you can't manage to do it.

 

If you can't do well in a T8 tank in a T10 match, then you won't do well in a T10 tank in a T10 match...

 

Sad but true, skill levels dictate most play and knowledge base means so much more than MM. knowing how to use the map, tank and enemy weak spots can help you defeat an enemy even though they are 2 tiers higher as long as you don't try to go head to head. Oh yes, platooning also helps as long as you both understand each others skill sets and tank limitations. 

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