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Gitgudm9 #1 Posted 11 July 2016 - 03:45 AM

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I was on a long road trip when I wrote these, so I had a lot of time. It's also why the maps are not very fitting for the battle. I had to do everything from memory on Notes as well, so some stuff might be missing/incorrect. Then, I copy/pasted it onto the forums. Feel free to correct me and suggest different maps, tanks, etc. Also, I tried to balance the teams, but I feel there's still not enough Russian bias. So, change the rules as you see fit.
 
Operation Torch
Map: Mirage
 
Allied tanks: 
Covenanter
Crusader
Matilda
Churchill I
M3 Lee
 
Axis tanks:
Panzer II (all variants)
Panzer III (all variants)
Panzer IV (all variants, excluding Panzer IV ausf. H, Panzer IV Anko SP and Panzer IV Hydrostat)
Panzer 35t
Panzer 38t
Tiger I (Blatantly OP, remove 2 Axis non-Tiger tank from Axis team for every Tiger, max 1 Tiger)
Panzerjäger II
Marder II
StuG III G
 
Prokhorovka
Map: Winter Malinovka (closest I could find)
 
Axis tanks: 
Panzer II (all variants)
Panzer III (all variants)
Panzer IV (all variants, excluding Panzer IV Anko SP and Panzer IV Hydrostat)
Panzer 35t
Panzer 38t
Tiger I
Panther I
Marder II
StuG III G
Ferdinand (Pretty OP, only 1 Ferdinand per team using 8,8 or 10,5 cm, only 5 tanks on Axis if there is a Ferdi)
 
Allied tanks:
BT-2 
BT-7
T-34
T-34/85
KV-1
KV-1S
KV-2
SU-76
SU-85B
SU-85
SU-152
Churchill III
 
Liberation of France
Map: Middleburg
 
Allied tanks:
Crusader
Cromwell
Churchill I
Churchill VII
M4 Sherman
M4A2E4 Sherman
M4A3E8 Sherman
M10 Wolverine
M18 Hellcat
M36 Jackson
 
Axis Tanks:
Panzer II (all variants)
Panzer III (all variants)
Panzer IV (all variants, excluding Anko and Hydrostat)
Panzer 35t
Panzer 38t
Marder II
StuG III G
Jagdpanzer IV
Tiger I (A little OP, remove 1 enemy non-Tiger tank from Axis team for every Tiger, max 2 Tigers or 1 Tiger and 1 Panther)
Panther I (A little OP, remove 1 enemy non-Panther tank from Axis team for every Tiger, max 2 Panthers or 1 Tiger and 1 Panther)
Tiger II  (Blatantly OP, remove 2 Axis non-Tiger tank from Axis team for every Tiger, max 1 Tiger)
 
  
 
Battle of the Bulge
Map: Rockfield
 
Allied tanks:
Crusader 
Churchill I
Churchill VII
Cromwell
Comet
M4 Sherman
M4A2E4 Sherman 
M4A3E8 Sherman
M10 Wolverine
M18 Hellcat
M36 Jackson
 
Axis tanks:
Panzer II (all variants)
Panzer III (all variants)
Panzer IV (all variants, excluding Anko and Hydrostat)
Panzer 35t
Panzer 38t
Marder II
Hetzer
StuG III G
Jagdpanzer IV
Jagdpanther
Tiger I 
Tiger II (Somewhat OP, limit one per team and only 6 team members)
Panther I
 
Escape From the Halbe Kessel
Map: Copperfield
 
Allied tanks: 
BT-2 
BT-7
T-34
T-34/85
KV-1
KV-2
IS
SU-76
SU-85B
SU-85
SU-152
ISU-152
Churchill III
Matilda IV
 
Axis tanks:
Panzer II (all variants)
Panzer III (all variants)
Panzer IV (all variants, excluding Anko and Hydrostat)
Panzer 35t
Panzer 38t
Marder II
Hetzer 
StuG III G
Jagdpanzer IV
Jagdpanther 
Jagdtiger 
Tiger I 
Tiger II
Panther I
 
 
The Israeli Defense
Map: Desert Sands
 
IDF tanks:
Comet
Centurion 1
Centurion 7/1
M4A3E8 Sherman
M46 Patton
M48 Patton
 
 
Syrian tanks:
T-34
T-34/85
Panzer IV
T-54
T-62A
IS-3
SU-100
SU-152
ISU-152
 
What if the Axis didn't surrender until 1980? (I know, stupid, but I'm bored. Also, a bunch of prototype/blueprint/proposed tanks are accepted into service in this alternate reality.)
 
Allied tanks:
Crusader
Cromwell
Comet
Centurion I
Centurion 7/1
Churchill I
Churchill VII
Black Prince 
Caernarvon 
Conqueror
AT 15
Tortoise
M4 Sherman
M4A2E4 Sherman
M4A3E8 Sherman
M10 Wolverine
M18 Hellcat
M36 Jackson
T95
M103
T-34
T-34/85
T-43
T-44
T-54
T-62A
IS
IS-3
IS-4
IS-7
IS-8
SU-76
SU-85B
SU-85
SU-100
SU-122-44
SU-152
ISU-152
SU-100M1
SU-101
SU-122-54
 
Axis tanks:
All Japanese tanks :P
Panzer II (all variants)
Panzer III (all variants)
Panzer IV (all variants, excluding Anko, INCLUDING Hydrostat)
Panzer 35t
Panzer 38t
Marder II
Hetzer
StuG III G
Jagdpanzer IV
Jagdpanther
Ferdinand
Jagdtiger 
Tiger I 
Tiger II
E 25
E 50
E 75
E 100
Maus 
 
 
 
Check back on this thread for more ideas. Feel free to contribute in the comments! I'll add it to the post and give you credit. 
 
Criteria:
1. Cool name for the room that is relevant to a historical battle
2. Map it will be played on
3. Names of both teams, along with historically accurate tanks for each
 
In the "What if the Axis didn't surrender until 1980?" scenario, the tanks are historically accurate in the alternate timeline. Deal with it. 
 
 
 
 

Edited by Gitgudm9, 11 July 2016 - 04:53 AM.

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RH_131 #2 Posted 11 July 2016 - 03:50 AM

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Looks good, but for historical accuracy and balance the Tiger 1 should use the short 88, the Tiger 2 the long 88, and the Jagdtiger the stock 128. Also jpanther should use the long 88 as well instead of the 105, but otherwise good job.

Edit: also IDF should not have any Russian/Chinese tanks, as they were 100% dependent on Allied supplies, likewise Syria should not have Pattons


Edited by RH_131, 11 July 2016 - 03:51 AM.

 
 
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You forgot the 1 Kv-2 vs 6th Panzer Army.

The Kv-2 must survive the entire match and Hold all German Tanks in one area (no flanking allowed)

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View PostNickatnyte101, on 11 July 2016 - 03:55 AM, said:

You forgot the 1 Kv-2 vs 6th Panzer Army.

The Kv-2 must survive the entire match and Hold all German Tanks in one area (no flanking allowed)

German Tanks: Pz.III, Pz.II, Pz.IV, StuG, The Flat Panzer (idk its name its Tier VI infront of StuG III)

Soviet Tanks: Kv-2 (with 152mm gun)

 

Troll part tho

only 6 rounds

Thats historical because thats how the kv2 ACTUALLY LOST

it just ran out of ammo



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good job, but i would be careful just copy and pasting the axis tanks. Im almost certain there were no to very little panzers (excluding panzer 4 and up) involved in the battle of the buldge The panther and tiger II and a little less of the tiger I where Germany's most prominent tanks against the allies during this.  But they were outnumbered by a crap ton of shermans and stuarts, thats why we barely won. 

 

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View PostRH_131, on 11 July 2016 - 03:50 AM, said:

Looks good, but for historical accuracy and balance the Tiger 1 should use the short 88, the Tiger 2 the long 88, and the Jagdtiger the stock 128. Also jpanther should use the long 88 as well instead of the 105, but otherwise good job.

Edit: also IDF should not have any Russian/Chinese tanks, as they were 100% dependent on Allied supplies, likewise Syria should not have Pattons

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View PostBigBenny2169, on 10 July 2016 - 10:00 PM, said:

good job, but i would be careful just copy and pasting the axis tanks. Im almost certain there were no to very little panzers (excluding panzer 4 and up) involved in the battle of the buldge The panther and tiger II and a little less of the tiger I where Germany's most prominent tanks against the allies during this.  But they were outnumbered by a crap ton of shermans and stuarts, thats why we barely won. 

 

German tank forces were essentially like 50% Panthers, 25% Panzer IVs, and 25% StuGs. Tigers, Tiger IIs, and Jagdtigers were there in negligible numbers (they were there though)

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View Postwannabeunicum, on 10 July 2016 - 08:57 PM, said:

Troll part tho

only 6 rounds

Thats historical because thats how the kv2 ACTUALLY LOST

it just ran out of ammo

 

Sigh, if they can even penetrate Stalin's armor...

 

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KermitTheGamer #9 Posted 11 July 2016 - 07:34 AM

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There's so many flaws to the historical accuracies of these layouts that I've got a sudden massive headache...for one the Covenanter did not see any active service, it was a training tank only. The other big glaring flaw I saw was the Prokhorovka scenario where you mention the Ferdinand, it only ever had the 88, no 105. There are a ton of other inconsistencies that I'd like to correct as someone who's been studying WW2 for over 10 years (and I'm only 18), but it's 2:30AM here and I'd like to go to bed so I'll do a full look-over in the morning if everyone else doesn't get to it first

 

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View Postpanzermk6, on 11 July 2016 - 05:17 AM, said:

 

German tank forces were essentially like 50% Panthers, 25% Panzer IVs, and 25% StuGs. Tigers, Tiger IIs, and Jagdtigers were there in negligible numbers (they were there though)

What are you talking about. Their were never that many Panthers. The majority of German tanks for later part of the war(late 1942-1945) was various types of Panzer 4. The Panzer 3 was also very common but their numbers dropped off massivelyin 1943due to being obsolete. Stugs were also extremely common throughout the entire war(after 1940 and 1941) thought the L/70 gun was never mounted on the Stug. Only 1,400 tigers were ever built so their were very few of them. The Panthers were FAR more common than tigers with around 6,000 total being built but 11,000 Panzer IVs were built. Jagdtigers weren't Tiger 1s but tiger 2s in tank destroyer form. 400 tiger 2s were built. 14,000 stugs and panzer 3s were built ( not including the stug 4). The ratio was more 40% Panzer IVs, 30% Stugs 25% Panthers and 5% Tiger 1s and 2s. 


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Crusaders should be equipped with 40mm(2 pdrs) for historical accuracy

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View Postmichaeltsoon, on 08 August 2016 - 04:10 PM, said:

Crusaders should be equipped with 40mm(2 pdrs) for historical accuracy

 

Later in 1943 some Crusaders were equipped with the 6-pdr gun...anything before like August 1943 though they need to have the 2-pdr

 

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