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Why all British heavies suck alot on battlefield except conqueror ?

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anonym_is9SLlXKWnO8 #1 Posted 27 September 2016 - 07:20 PM

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Once look at my battle results on these British heavy tank line.  See that screenshot .

To complete British heavies line it   take 3 month for me . Too horrible match making every time.  I spend  290 battles on black prince to get Carnarvon tank . 

No tank is scare from this black prince . Medium tanks circle it easily.  The match makes always put with noobs when ever I try to play with these tanks.  

The Churchill 1 is OK for its tier 5 but black prince and Carnarvon tanks are horrible.  Tier 7 can penetrate it's frontal armour . Even tier7 medium tanks got better Alfa damage than Carnarvon .

Many battles Alfa damage is everything  for a tank ,this why is3/is6 tanks are playing a dominating role at tier 8.  

Until I reached tier 9 and unlock the conqueror 500 Alfa gun these things happening every time whenever I play with British heavies.  

Later I unlock the fv215b , this a another terrible tank that got its gun on back side of tank . It's always catches fire and got  ammo rack damage .

Fv215b got good armour on its torrent but it's hard to shoot your enemy without showing your front .you can't even side scrape with fv215b because it's sides are weak.  You can't even move forward carefully . So much painful tank that is . Sometimes you can't even snipe also . I don't know why it's gun mounted on back side of tank which gives me trouble to hulldown . 

The only advantage of fv215b is meds can't able to circle this tank easily and this tank very good against medium tanks. You have enough time to put 2 shots on enemy team since it's reload is very fast.

I don't know whether it's problem with tank or with blitz small maps .

After playing with every tank in British line .I found that British heavies always sucks except conqueror and Churchill 1 .

Why don't the developer increase its Alfa damage at least . 



___Chimera #2 Posted 27 September 2016 - 07:23 PM

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Armor on the Churchill Mk VI and Black Prince is one of the best tier for tier, you just can't reliably pen the hull or turret unless you aim lower glacis, which is really really small.

 

Caernavon I will agree isn't very good.

 

Don't know enough about the 215B to post a reliable opinion.


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dimzzy #3 Posted 27 September 2016 - 07:25 PM

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Church I is OP (80% WR for me), Black Prince is not bad at all. I don't have FV yet but the gun is very promising.

 



ahredstealth #4 Posted 27 September 2016 - 07:30 PM

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Churchill is a pretty solid tank.

 

I don't remember having to much of an issue with the Black Prince, especially after 1/1 match making.

 

All of the slow British tanks I thought got a huge buff in 1/1 because they lost the severe problem of the tanks two levels higher then them being able to both circle them, and go through the armor with ease...


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MarBearCat #5 Posted 27 September 2016 - 07:39 PM

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I'm 9-5 in Churchill VII

but mostly use it in platoon.

 

955 avg damage 64% survived

 

All 9 wins I survived.

 

When I step into tier

7 tanks its a whole 

different story. :(


 

 

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Zip_Zip #6 Posted 27 September 2016 - 07:49 PM

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FV215b is a good tank. There are more effective heavies in game however with solid dpm and gun handling if its played second line similar to the Conq it can be very effective. The top plate at an angle is very tough to pen. With the lower plate hidden at medium and long ranges the FV is tough to pen and the gun can cut everything to pieces. It is certainly more difficult to play than an E5 or IS7 but I would not for a second consider it a bad tank.

At the end of the day its the driver that makes the difference. Blaming the tank is a weak excuse.

I should point out that the op in an earlier post also was saying the M46 Patton is a poor tank. I only point this out so readers of this post can consider the source a bit before coming to any conclusions.


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because the all have soft hulls and only the conqueror has a gun that makes up for it in a position thats easy to use. 

 

i was terrible and a scrub in all my british tanks though. obvs just lack skill.


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Blartch #8 Posted 27 September 2016 - 07:56 PM

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They're all horrible, except the Churchill I, and Black Prince, and Caernarvon, and Conqueror, and FV215b

ThemasterTanker1 #9 Posted 27 September 2016 - 08:03 PM

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Tier 7 and up are all relatively good, especially the Conq and 215b.

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Let's just say the British heavies generally are not very friendly tanks but in the other hand are extremely rewarding. 4/6 of the British heavies I throughly enjoyed (the only better ratio is the American heavies, of those 6 only the M6 I despised out of an enjoyably line) The Chuchill I, I didn't really like because the turret was so horrifically bad even when angled and wiggled it's still paper, the Caernarvon now that was just a sh!t tank. Churchill I is a tier 5 so I'm not really going to talk about it since its at an irrelevant tier, the Caernarvon is so trash and outclassed it should've been a really fat tier 7 prem if there was any alternative.

 

The armor well high tier British heavies have questionable armor and Caer is no different. Lower plate, trash. Turret, pretty good but everything that's not the mantlet is pretty easy to pen. Upper plate, acceptable against AP, face hugging it will negate the slope. Mobility, average.

 

The gun on the other hand it's what separates it from Conq and 215b. The later 2 tanks have great guns which make the tanks worthwhile. Caernarvon's 20 pdr is literally a bumped down version of a Centurion I's gun mounted on a paper chassis and not very fast. There's no reason to ever pick a Caernarvon over a Centurion I. 

 

Conqueror is great tank overall, that's all that needs to be said.

 

FV215b is an interesting one. With the HEAT rebalance the side skirts aren't cosmetic dead weight anymore and will eat up HEAT. It's got a rear mounted turret, sure, but you just have to get used to it. It's by no means an easy tank (go play an IS-7) to play but it's far more rewarding if you know what you're doing. 

 

 

 



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IMO, the American heavies have the Brits beat on nearly every tier starting with tier VII

 

The T29 is quicker, just as tough, and has better alpha and pen then the BP

The T32 is just as quick, much tougher, and has better alpha, and DPM than the Caern

The M103 has much better armor and more gun depression than conq whilst having only a slightly worse gun, making it far more flexible

The T110E5 is also much better amored and faster with more gun depression, and a center mounted turret when compared to the FV-215(b)


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It's not the tanks it's the way WG NERFS the players not the tanks 

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The churchill 1 WAS good,the churchill 7 was AMAZING at tier 6 games,and the BlackPrince Is a freaking Tier 7 MAUS,always angle your Blackprince's armor in a 45ish degree and hide the lower glacis and boom,you are a freaking maus.I would grind the British heavies til BlackPrince anytime!!
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And while we are on this topic, let's buff the T110E5's alpha (learn to spell) to 1400.

 

British heavy tanks have certain features that make it really rewarding to play. Churchill 7, it's the fairly good frontal armor. BP, it's the turret and 8 degrees of gun depression, Caernarvon... let's not talk about that, Conqueror has an amazing gun, and the FV215b also has an amazing gun, can sidescrape, and has nice DPM.

 

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The Churchill VII and the Black prince have outstanding armor for their tier but both have terrible guns, yes they have fast reload but avg damage is only around 100-200 and the pen isn't the best. But overall they are great tanks.

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Like I said WG can nerf or buff an individual just as they can the tanks computer game they have the controls.

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I liked the Caenarvon. It's like a Centurion I but with a better gun and without the speed to get you into trouble. 

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View PostTheFluffyPinkDragon, on 28 September 2016 - 01:56 AM, said:

Let's just say the British heavies generally are not very friendly tanks but in the other hand are extremely rewarding. 4/6 of the British heavies I throughly enjoyed (the only better ratio is the American heavies, of those 6 only the M6 I despised out of an enjoyably line) The Chuchill I, I didn't really like because the turret was so horrifically bad even when angled and wiggled it's still paper, the Caernarvon now that was just a sh!t tank. Churchill I is a tier 5 so I'm not really going to talk about it since its at an irrelevant tier, the Caernarvon is so trash and outclassed it should've been a really fat tier 7 prem if there was any alternative.

 

The armor well high tier British heavies have questionable armor and Caer is no different. Lower plate, trash. Turret, pretty good but everything that's not the mantlet is pretty easy to pen. Upper plate, acceptable against AP, face hugging it will negate the slope. Mobility, average.

 

The gun on the other hand it's what separates it from Conq and 215b. The later 2 tanks have great guns which make the tanks worthwhile. Caernarvon's 20 pdr is literally a bumped down version of a Centurion I's gun mounted on a paper chassis and not very fast. There's no reason to ever pick a Caernarvon over a Centurion I. 

 

Conqueror is great tank overall, that's all that needs to be said.

 

FV215b is an interesting one. With the HEAT rebalance the side skirts aren't cosmetic dead weight anymore and will eat up HEAT. It's got a rear mounted turret, sure, but you just have to get used to it. It's by no means an easy tank (go play an IS-7) to play but it's far more rewarding if you know what you're doing. 

 

 

 

 

That video ia for PC version of wot . 

But blitz got small maps and only 7 players  to play . How can u compare same things Gina happen in blitz also . For blitz it's completely a different story. 






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