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Why all British heavies suck alot on battlefield except conqueror ?

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MayoNasalSpray #21 Posted 28 September 2016 - 01:46 AM

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View Postrajkumarukku, on 27 September 2016 - 08:42 PM, said:

 

That video ia for PC version of wot . 

But blitz got small maps and only 7 players  to play . How can u compare same things Gina happen in blitz also . For blitz it's completely a different story. 

 

Trust me the PC versions help, the Maus, T26E4, Tiger 2, and E100 Guide park videos were helpful to me.



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Black Prince and Conqueror is best for british heavy. Tortoise is best for british tank destroyer. 

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View Postlookedsquirrel7, on 28 September 2016 - 08:46 AM, said:

 

Trust me the PC versions help, the Maus, T26E4, Tiger 2, and E100 Guide park videos were helpful to me.

 

Not really for T26E4 because PC has 3 layers while Blitz has only 2. You can do but not exactly same thing as PC does. Because heat from IS3-D still able to pin T26E4 reliably in a close range.

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View Postahredstealth, on 27 September 2016 - 07:30 PM, said:

Churchill is a pretty solid tank.

 

I don't remember having to much of an issue with the Black Prince, especially after 1/1 match making.

 

All of the slow British tanks I thought got a huge buff in 1/1 because they lost the severe problem of the tanks two levels higher then them being able to both circle them, and go through the armor with ease...

 

absolutely agree. 

MM+2 was an issue, because +2 could pen you big damage and you don't have enough speed to retreat.

but MM+-1 makes it so OP. The armor is stronk and trollish.

 

These tanks are slow but have very good traverse, and are very well protected by their high tracks and spaced armor, and faceted front. 

just study the angles in armor inspector or in training rooms. British heavies are all about angling. Armor is super OP and guns are amazing.

 

The problem with all slow tanks is to have your team not YOLO and die far before you see enemy.

 

 

black prince is the only heavy that can give serious problems to a SU, and besides, it can also engage multiple COD meds and finish them all. It's armor will bounce a lot or even all shots, and its gun can permatrack them to keep them in the right angle and not running away.


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ThisBumbleBounces #25 Posted 28 September 2016 - 03:32 AM

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Just about finished with the black prince grind to the caernavon. I might just keep th BP for a while. Absolutely love it. Took a while to understand how to use it correctly but now its fun. The gun is wonderful. Fast firing, accurate, and i have no problem penning most tanks with AP. Because of that i tend to also make decent credits with it.  And finally, as noted by the previous post, it can permatrack like a boss.   I'm dreading the next tank but other than groundspeed, there is nothing wrong with the black prince.

Edited by Sturm1069, 28 September 2016 - 03:34 AM.

While driving you become hyper alert to surroundings identifying escape routes, and good defensive positions, and realize crap I'm in my car not a tank.

 


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I've heard that the bp is great, but the thing scaring me off from continuing down the Brit heavies is the caenarvon. I'm dreading the grind in that thing because even though the gun is accurate, quick firing, and has good pen, it's aplha is just so pitiful for a heavy that doesn't have the armor to stay exposed and dpm the enemy. Imo the easiest way to make the tank bearable and perhaps even enjoyable would be to put the British 32 pounder that the at15, tort, and gc have as an option. It's still an accurate, quick firing gun that would retain the caravans position as a support heavy but it would give a much needed buff to the tanks aplha damage and at least make it feel somewhat more like a heavy than an obese medium. It would at least make the tank more useful for peakabooming.( And the 214 pen is still very usable at tier 8.)


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View PostxXZachAttackXx_EOG, on 28 September 2016 - 10:24 AM, said:

I've heard that the bp is great, but the thing scaring me off from continuing down the Brit heavies is the caenarvon. I'm dreading the grind in that thing because even though the gun is accurate, quick firing, and has good pen, it's aplha is just so pitiful for a heavy that doesn't have the armor to stay exposed and dpm the enemy. Imo the easiest way to make the tank bearable and perhaps even enjoyable would be to put the British 32 pounder that the at15, tort, and gc have as an option. It's still an accurate, quick firing gun that would retain the caravans position as a support heavy but it would give a much needed buff to the tanks aplha damage and at least make it feel somewhat more like a heavy than an obese medium. It would at least make the tank more useful for peakabooming.( And the 214 pen is still very usable at tier 8.)

 

at15 330 Alfa gun is good for tier8 heavy . I would be happy if developer give it that gun.  

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I loved the Caernavon it's a mobile bunker. Hill down you will boule all day ... I had shelved  it and only brought it back out this week.  I am averaging 3,500 damage a game and have Mastery Badges 2&3, I run optics and use it as a support TV... The Armour is paper but if you peak a boom it is a solid tank.  I run super fuel which gives it enough power to get away from immediate danger. 

 



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Referring  to the Conqueror by the way not Caernavon impossible to do 3,500 in a Caernavon! Lol 

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Caernarvon is bad that's why Conqueror request very cheap XP to obtain in Caernarvon. about 65K XP while the rest of the line need over 100K XP. Caernarvon is not a fun tank for the alpha damage it's fun to pin someone on the ground but not as fun as Black Prince.

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View PostPsychopathy, on 27 September 2016 - 09:00 PM, said:

 

Not really for T26E4 because PC has 3 layers while Blitz has only 2. You can do but not exactly same thing as PC does. Because heat from IS3-D still able to pin T26E4 reliably in a close range.

 

HEAT mechanics were fixed recently however and with my frontal armor when I have been seeing IS-3Ds I have been getting consistent non-penetrating shots to my hull as well as fewer to my turret.



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View Postyermama, on 28 September 2016 - 12:32 PM, said:

I loved the Caernavon it's a mobile bunker. Hill down you will boule all day ... I had shelved  it and only brought it back out this week.  I am averaging 3,500 damage a game and have Mastery Badges 2&3, I run optics and use it as a support TV... The Armour is paper but if you peak a boom it is a solid tank.  I run super fuel which gives it enough power to get away from immediate danger. 

 

 

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krietenstein34 #33 Posted 28 September 2016 - 12:29 PM

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Caernarvon....   I rage sold  it.

Conquerer .........    nice Tenk

 

FV215b...........   Put a wet ammo rack in it


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View Postkrietenstein34, on 28 September 2016 - 07:29 PM, said:

Caernarvon....   I rage sold  it.

Conquerer .........    nice Tenk

 

FV215b...........   Put a wet ammo rack in it

 

agreed!

yermama #35 Posted 29 September 2016 - 02:52 PM

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Question what equipment  should I run with Conqueror?

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I love my 215b....always have.  I'm happy to platoon with you sometime or head into a training room if you'd like some pointers or advice.

 

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The change to +1/-1 matchmaking really was a buff for the Caernarvon.  It was a 'bad tank' before...now it is not great, I admit - but it is no longer bad.  

 

The Caern really struggled against Tier 9 and X tanks because its low alpha gun simply couldn't output enough damage to get through those massive HP pools.  Now that you're facing Tier 7/8/9 only, things have gotten much better.

 

Rajku - the British tanks require you to drive in a very specific way to make them work.  On top of that, the Churchill / BP tanks must be played totally differently than the Caern/Conq/Fv215b.  If you try to use any of them like Russian heavy tanks and brawl and bounce shots, you will fail.  

 

The Churchill series has good armor on paper but it's not sloped so you'll get penned a lot unless you angle your armor, but you have to be careful since the side armor is very weak.  Don't over-angle.  Less forgiving than German box tank angling.

 

The Caern/Conq/FV have no armor.  These tanks are classified as heavy because of the gun performance.  Caernarvon has wimpy alpha yes, but it can shoot twice for 190hp for every one big Russian shell, so it evens out as long as you're not trading shots with them.  Also, you will rarely miss shots.  Also, Caernarvon can go hull down as long as you keep wiggling / hiding /moving and only popping up to snap-shoot your gun.  The Conq and FV can't do this. 

 

Play these as cautiously as you would play a medium tank and I'm sure you'll do better.


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Pretty solid line actually.  Just need to know how to angle the tier 5-7.  Tier 8 is meh, by 9&10 are both great(once upgraded on the 9).

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Because people don't know to play them, and that includes the Conqueror. It's a very nice line, statistically the Conqueror, FV125B, And black Prince are strong Vehicles, but for the rest they are still just as good but people find it hard for them to play them correctly like the Caernoven and Churchills


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Oh one more thing. The grinds on the caernarvon and conqueror are terrible. The tanks are quite bad, almost useless at tier until all their upgrades are mounted.
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