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T-150 vs. Kuro Mori Mine?

tier 6 heavy t-150 kuro mori mine compare

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Poll: Which tank is better? (40 members have cast votes)

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Which tank do you think is better?

  1. T-150 (19 votes [47.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 47.50%

  2. Kuro Mori Mine (21 votes [52.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 52.50%

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Yami_taku #1 Posted 14 December 2016 - 03:10 AM

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Keep in mind that I have owned both tanks, but it has been a while since I have played the T-150. I still own the Kuro Mori Mine

I will also separate the tanks' performance by the following categories: Protection, Mobility, and Gun performance.

 

Protection:

T-150: The Russian heavy boasts 90mm on both the front and the side. This allows for the same tactic which could be used in its predecessor, the KV-1, which was to angle the tank at 45 degrees to give it an effective armor value of ~120mm in the front. There is a flat part of the hull in the front which has around 100mm of armor, which could be exploited. The rear is a surprisingly healthy 75mm, which could possibly bounce a few tier 5 tanks when angled correctly(although not recommended at all).The turret on the front has 100mm and has a big gun manlet, which protects the tank and gives it good protection. This, however, is offset by the fact that the T-150 has a very prominent cupola, which only needs around 85mm of penetration to go through. The turret is also very tall, which makes it an easy target when the tank is turning its turret to shoot. The tank has 950HP, which is pretty low for a heavy tank, but is average compared to the other tanks in the game.

 

Kuro Mori Mine: The armor on the Kuro Mori Mine is an exact copy of the tier 7 Tiger I. The tank was then made smaller and put down into a lower tier, which makes its armor effectively stronger than its older brother. The armor is very similar to its rival(not the right word but whatever). Its front is 100mm thick, but due to its flat surface, the front alone is effectively weaker due to its larger weakpoints(lower glacis, upper flat plate). But when angled at around a 40-50 degrees, the 82mm of side armor gives the tank the same effective armor of around 120mm when angled correctly. The rear is also 82mm, but when heavy tanks are shot in the back, it really is the end for them so it doesn't matter too much. Keep in mind that the tank itself is much taller than the T-150, so there is more of the tank to shoot at unlike the low profile(only the hull) T-150. The turret, just like the T-150, is 100mm, has a gun mantlet, but is also weaker, which makes it easier to penetrate the turret. The commander's hatch, just like the T-150, is a weakpoint but it is much harder to hit due to its size. Opposite of the T-150, the turret of the Kuro Mori Mine is an average size, making it a more difficult target when hull down(more on this in gun handling). This has 1100HP, making it the joint-healthiest tank tier for tier along with the VK 36.01H and the Churchill VII.

 

Mobility:

T-150: The T-150 has a specific power/weight ratio of 12.89, which falls in between the KV-2's ~11 and the KV-1S's ~13.5. The tank is extremely slow to turn, with a 16 degrees/second traverse speed. The turret, albeit slow, is better at 20. Its top speed limit is the standard 35 km/hr. Due to the mediocre top speed and power/weight ratio, the tank does not do too well ramming, even though both tanks weigh over 55 tons when fully equipped.

 

Kuro Mori Mine: Again, similar to the T-150(which is precisely why I'm comparing them now) has a power/weight ration of 12.28. The tank has a decent 27 degrees/second traverse speed and also the same 20 degrees/second turret traverse speed. Is top speed limit is a nice 40km/hr, which makes it able to go just a little bit faster(taking into account 27 degrees/sec. turning). This makes the Kuro Mori Mine a good tank to ram(not as good as the American heavies) since it weighs 58~59 tons when fully equipped.

 

Gun Performance:

T-150. The T-150 uses a 107mm ZiS-6 gun, which has a great penetration of 167mm, allowing it to go through tier 7 heavies frontally without a problem. Its premium rounds have a nice 219mm of penetration if it needs to be used. The 54mm of HE penetration can also be used to take down tanks such as an SP-1C or a Nashorn. In addition, it can also penetrate the sides of most tier 5 tanks. The 320 alpha damage(400 HE) is very nice, with only the KV-2 and the KV-1S beating it in sheer caliber size(on tanks only, since tank destroyers play differently than tanks), and both have horrendous DPM. This tank, however, has a decent DPM of 1401.60(1752 HE), unlike the KV-1S that has 1144.00(1430.00). The tank has a not-so-good dispersion value of .450, and also has a very bad 3.4 seconds aim time. These, however, can be negated in close quarters combat, which the tank excels at. The tank also gets 7 degrees of gun depression, which is not bad, but not great.

 

Kuro Mori Mine: Even though this has the same armor model as the Tiger, it does not have the same gun. The Tiger I has a 8,8cm Kw.K. 43L/71 gun, while the Kuro Mori Mine has a 8,8cm Kw.K. 36 L/56 gun. The gun loses 58mm of penetration, going from 203 to 145. Although 145mm of penetration should be enough to go through most tier 7 tanks, it is still quite inferior to the T-150's 167. The premium rounds are also worse than the T-150 as expected. They have 195mm of penetration, which should be enough to go through the upper hull of the T29. Just like the T-150, its 44mm penetration HE shells should be enough to go through very lighly armored tanks, but it cannot penetrate the sides of some tier 5 medium tanks unlike its rival. Because of its lower alpha damage, the Kuro Mori Mine has a superior RoF, with 7.06 RPM compared to 4.38. This gives the tank a DPM of 1553.20(1906.20), which is 10.8% better than the T-150. The Kuro Mori Mine has better dispersion values too, with .380 accuracy and 2.3 seconds aim time, which is as good as a medium tank. If need be, the tank could become a sniper(although not recommended at all) since it has a nice 240m view range compared to 230m. The tank gets 8 degrees of gun depression, which makes the tank just a little bit better going hull down. When it does, the tank is virtually unstoppable.

 

Overall, both tanks have their pros and cons. Personally, I prefer the Kuro Mori Mine since I like the extra degree of gun depression and I always like to stay in the combat compared to the peek-a-boom tactic the T-150 usually uses. Although it is very satisfying to hit hard with the 320 alpha damage(2 times than a regular 75 mm gun). Did I forget to address something here? If so, please tell me what I have missed/mistaken.



KickingNinja #2 Posted 14 December 2016 - 03:15 AM

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  pretty good review. Kuro Is a pretty stronk tenk

Edited by KickingNinja, 14 December 2016 - 03:17 AM.


r4zrbl4de #3 Posted 14 December 2016 - 03:31 AM

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Kuro is the best premium tank (or reward tank, whatever you want to call it) that Wargaming has ever given out for free. And it'll probably be the best one for a long time. It's a sealclubbing tank for me. Excellent at sidescraping, the gun is good, the armor works well against medium and light tanks of the same tier and lower. I can't describe the pure joy flowing through my body when I see a Leopard and he tries to shoot me from the front.

 

 


rajkumarukku #4 Posted 14 December 2016 - 03:32 AM

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Bro tier6 ,7 are totally medium tank domination is more .so you need mobility than armor in present battle situations .

Kuro got medium tank mobility that helps alot in following medium tanks . 

I like t150 too but tier6,7 and mostly noobs will there so go with kuro . 

 

It's a beast 


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Faber711 #5 Posted 14 December 2016 - 03:44 AM

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T150 back when it had like 1050 health,the reason i bought back when i was still a noob on 2014 i was like "Wow that tank has 1000 health!?im gonna get that"
I'm just really tired right now, but I can't stop going forward right now.I have to keep moving forward to be better at things even if i'm tired of being look down upon.

MarBearCat #6 Posted 14 December 2016 - 03:47 AM

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For me it's no contest at all.

Not even close. 

 

Kuro



Achuuu___ #7 Posted 14 December 2016 - 04:37 AM

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Idk, but I seem to reck a lot of kuros in my t150 lol

 

 

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RoadKutter #8 Posted 14 December 2016 - 04:56 AM

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How did they make the Kuro smaller?  Long cycle in the dryer?  I like the T150 but nothing is as reliable as the Kuro

                         

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Dark_Magician_Girl #9 Posted 14 December 2016 - 05:00 AM

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T150 hands down.  That tank breaks tier 6.

I am now the #1 ranked E75 on the NA server!

 

 

 

 


_Catsro #10 Posted 14 December 2016 - 06:12 AM

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I'm not sure which of these tanks are better since both tanks require really good player/drivers to make the tank deliver fantastic results.

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Tankiller14 #11 Posted 14 December 2016 - 06:37 AM

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View PostDark_Magician_Girl, on 14 December 2016 - 01:00 AM, said:

T150 hands down.  That tank breaks tier 6.

Yeah, until a KV-2 or KV-1S appears and leave you to shreads.



RoadKutter #12 Posted 14 December 2016 - 03:40 PM

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Ok, I'm on the fence now. Just had a game in the T150, sidecraped against the whole red team and yes there was a Kuro I killed. So I guess both are good in capable hands.   :playing:

                         

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