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crazychimp69, on 03 January 2017 - 02:54 PM, said:

The moment that wargaming allowed players to be able to switch between ammunition without any penalty is the moment when heavy tanks and their armor became obsolete. It has nothing to do with high tier mediums. If you really want to make armor effective again, fix the changes you made so long ago.

 

There should a penalty for switching between ammunition. And it should be that you have to reload again to switch to a new shell. Without that, armor becomes useless. As of now, you can go from 200 penetration to 330 penetration in 1 second. No penalty. And yet people still have not noticed this is amazing.

 

Yup, the old days when you had to reload to a different shell type. The only problem I could see with this would be a slight pay to win advantage for rich buggers like myself that would just keep prammo loaded all the time. But switching from say, AP to HESH/HE quick for that quick bum shot to the back of a tank would be a thing of the past.

 

I don't think they should be touching the pen values on the Leo PTA, FV, M48, type 61. Those tanks already have enough shortcomings.

Edited by Jellotree76, 03 January 2017 - 04:23 PM.

[ruggs225]

This is a good start. The russian meds needed a good nerfing. But the others, not so much. Lets see what the data says.

 

sorta think they need to do alot more readjusting... reducing the meds influence is great but now the heavies may ght be op. I think they need to nerf the heavies acurracy  and thrn increast the load times on tds as well

 

this way the meds will hqve accurate guns but less pen so they need to flank. Heavies would have good pen, armor but poor accuracy and tds have good pen and alpha but poor reload times and armore.

 

Of course each tank should be different and there should be some crossover tanks like a td with low alpha but fast reload etc, but this should be a baseline.

 

now if they work on balancing ligh  tanks and buff the panther m10 i will be really happy

Edited by ruggs225, 03 January 2017 - 04:22 PM.

[MarBearCat]

I knew I should have used my T-54 more

than twice.

 

 

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airstiker, on 03 January 2017 - 12:44 PM, said:

The nerf that might happen kind of makes sense, like how does a 15cm gun (e100) have less pen than a 105mm reound? It has higher caliber, so more force being applied. Please a physics genius explain this to me

 

penetration has to do with apartment pressure over the moment meaning more force dose not equal more penatration.... pressure = force over area. So if u apply similar force over a smaller area you get more peatration

[STINGRAY_2020]

It may add a greater dynamic to the game at high tiers which was lost when they implemented +1/-1 matchmaking (depending on how much they reduce the pen values). In +2/-2, (smart) low tier tanks would play second line support, spotting, flanking. There's not a heck of a lot of that going on anymore. The Obj. 140 may be reduced to a proper roll of a support/flank/spotter instead of a domineering force.

[yermama]

Lazy map makers...must be interns. No more space rocks and pancake maps please

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crazychimp69, on 03 January 2017 - 09:54 AM, said:

The moment that wargaming allowed players to be able to switch between ammunition without any penalty is the moment when heavy tanks and their armor became obsolete. It has nothing to do with high tier mediums. If you really want to make armor effective again, fix the changes you made so long ago.

 

There should a penalty for switching between ammunition. And it should be that you have to reload again to switch to a new shell. Without that, armor becomes useless. As of now, you can go from 200 penetration to 330 penetration in 1 second. No penalty. And yet people still have not noticed this is amazing.

 

Doesnt solve anything. People spam gold at tier x. Credit diff between spamming gold and WINNING vs no-pen and LOSING is huge. In fact if they implement reload on ammo switch I guarantee you there will be more gold spam at highier tiers.

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Leopard_________________, on 03 January 2017 - 10:43 AM, said:

 

Doesnt solve anything. People spam gold at tier x. Credit diff between spamming gold and WINNING vs no-pen and LOSING is huge. In fact if they implement reload on ammo switch I guarantee you there will be more gold spam at highier tiers.

 

actually the credit difference is minimal. You only get 4800 more credits for winning at tier X. That's the cost of one gold round.

[Leopard_________________]

BTW, y'all really think heavies were obsolete in tier 10s? E5 and IS-4 are absolute beasts in pubs. 140 was the only thing holding E5 in check. If they nerf 140, be ready for E5 spam and that's gonna be a lot worse than facing 140s.

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Leopard_________________, on 03 January 2017 - 10:49 AM, said:

BTW, y'all really think heavies were obsolete in tier 10s? E5 and IS-4 are absolute beasts in pubs. 140 was the only thing holding E5 in check. If they nerf 140, be ready for E5 spam and that's gonna be a lot worse than facing 140s.

 

Nah, I'm ready for my E-100 to be super OP and actually have the scary amount of armor it was meant to have

[VonMiller58]

Dangit...I was just getting into the German Mediums  PTA and Leopard 1

 

They seem not OP at all and gun is all they had.

 

Why nerf them?

[VonMiller58]

panzermk6, on 03 January 2017 - 04:54 PM, said:

 

Nah, I'm ready for my E-100 to be super OP and actually have the scary amount of armor it was meant to have

 

I guess that is the upside...my E100 was just a target the first 100 games I played in it....55% wins only

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Leopard_________________, on 03 January 2017 - 10:43 AM, said:

Doesnt solve anything. People spam gold at tier x. Credit diff between spamming gold and WINNING vs no-pen and LOSING is huge. In fact if they implement reload on ammo switch I guarantee you there will be more gold spam at highier tiers.

 

Why would you spam gold in the Russian Mediums in tier 10?  Doesn't the APCR go twice as fast as HEAT?  Plus doesn't get eaten by tracks...

Spamming it in the T-54 I get, but not in the OBJ140/62...

[pasdxd]

Leopard_________________, on 03 January 2017 - 11:49 AM, said:

BTW, y'all really think heavies were obsolete in tier 10s? E5 and IS-4 are absolute beasts in pubs. 140 was the only thing holding E5 in check. If they nerf 140, be ready for E5 spam and that's gonna be a lot worse than facing 140s.

 

E5s are nowhere near what they are on PC... be thankful that if the meds are nerfed, E5s don't become the level of OP they would've been if we had the PC version. 

Edited by pasdxd, 03 January 2017 - 05:13 PM.

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Leopard_________________, on 03 January 2017 - 08:43 AM, said:

 

Doesnt solve anything. People spam gold at tier x. Credit diff between spamming gold and WINNING vs no-pen and LOSING is huge. In fact if they implement reload on ammo switch I guarantee you there will be more gold spam at highier tiers.

You are joking right? 

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VonMiller58, on 03 January 2017 - 10:56 AM, said:

Dangit...I was just getting into the German Mediums  PTA and Leopard 1

 

They seem not OP at all and gun is all they had.

 

Why nerf them?

 

I feel the same way. Guess I just have to see what they do. Only tank that needed a nerf was the Obj and we all know it. And the ROF was the deal. Nothing else. 

[boppinbobby]

Didn't they test the MM on the NA server first. And this is from the EU server so why are you worried? May never see this over here at least not in the testing phase.

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airstiker, on 03 January 2017 - 09:14 AM, said:

The nerf that might happen kind of makes sense, like how does a 15cm gun (e100) have less pen than a 105mm reound? It has higher caliber, so more force being applied. Please a physics genius explain this to me

 

its not physics its gun design, velocity, shell design, recoil system and length of barrel. For example the 100mm on the T62A has more penetration than the 100mm on the T-54 simply because the gun was designed better.

[BoomMfer]

With everyone discussing this, the M60 giveaway is but a distant memory. Well played WG, well played.

[THEGRIMPEEPER]

So I'm not supposed to play the OBJ140 at the front like the Blitz Twister Cup? Is that why I keep loosing?