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VonMiller58 #21 Posted 04 January 2017 - 08:40 PM

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View Postglass2707, on 04 January 2017 - 07:39 PM, said:

Videos of KB/M players lead me to draw different conclusions than the OP.  On mobile you cannot zoom really at all without a target.  Vs Kb/m competition I was killed on a blind shot across the map(based on the other side's video footage) because of the ability to zoom in when you don't have a target.  I was behind cover and they were able to hit a part barely sticking out that they could not see according to their footage.

 

Also what stealy said was correct.  If you have played tens of thousands of games one way then making a half hearted effort over one weekend isn't really going to provide an accurate comparison.  Watch some of PixelRage's videos of him sniping people across the map.  Not even being focused on it.  He can look around between shots then aim in and hit when it is time to fire.

 

Some things that cannot be disputed.  It is very difficult to balance a game that can be played with entirely different sets of controls.  Bringing in PC/Mac players exposes the game to a greater potential for cheating.  So working to balance the game between platforms and to head off any potential cheating would require a pretty good effort.  Where is that effort taking place or is it even taking place?These are important things to know and we have heard nothing but crickets.  

My zoom only goes to x1 when I don't have a target...really barely zooms at all

I need a red target to engage zoom in full

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could be a setting thing but that is how my KBM works

 


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tpcshadow #22 Posted 04 January 2017 - 08:57 PM

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Haven't played KBM, but it would solve some problems I constantly have - driving, aiming, and shooting at the same time. Have to move one thumb to shoot, so aiming or moving stops. Sometimes I miss the fire button, or accidentally hit the fire button when driving or aiming. Frequently miss the ammo selector or have to change visual focus to switch. Accuracy of aiming would probably be a plus as on other things I'm much more precise with a mouse than my thumb. 

K4osw #23 Posted 04 January 2017 - 09:38 PM

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Hmmm, I've played both KBM and mobile.

 

I seem to do much better in my mediums in KBM than in mobile, with 3000 average damage on my T54 for a session of KBM.  Then look at my average t54 stats ;D



PURPLE_ROCK #24 Posted 04 January 2017 - 09:44 PM

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interesting replies...

Tomio_Hara #25 Posted 04 January 2017 - 09:47 PM

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I have played that last 3-4k games mostly on KB/M (MacBook Pro) now. Personally I prefer it over my iPad 3 and iPhone 6, but one has bad fps and the other is small for this game. Personally I don't use the auto aim unless I am doing a CoD, as my mouse is much better. I always load into the game a dozen or so seconds before the countdown and have a smooth 60 fps with nearly no lag at all (except when downloading something on my internet or server side issues). As for brawling I also prefer my computer as the WASD controls imo make maneuvering easier. Chatting is quicker with KB/M as I type really fast compared to my slow thumbs. However the mobile devices also have their pros, such as taking a screen shot when someone is partaking in bannable actions is faster then on my mac and the auto aim on them is better.

I do have a few battles (like 15) played on a iPad Pro which with the big screen and nearly no fps lag makes it better then my mac.


Edited by Tomio_Hara, 04 January 2017 - 09:49 PM.

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reluctanttheist #26 Posted 04 January 2017 - 09:58 PM

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Stealy I used a separate account and started right from tier 1 and went up to tier 5 so far.  Hilarious that the doctor calls me an average player :sceptic:

 

The best way to look at this issue is to have players at a variety of skill levels give their feedback.  Someone who always aims manually on mobile - even when brawling - might find KBM entirely to their liking.  My reflexes are very fast; so it's not that I find it hard to aim at moving targets unless they are at close range.  And I'm sure I could master that too.


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PURPLE_ROCK #27 Posted 04 January 2017 - 10:24 PM

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Just bought a gaming mouse.

 

I will test it and share my thoughts. :)



Bait_Car #28 Posted 04 January 2017 - 10:33 PM

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View Postreluctanttheist, on 04 January 2017 - 09:58 PM, said:

 Hilarious that the doctor calls me an average player :sceptic:

I was pretty sure he was referring to me:)  

 

I forgot to mention that I have not been able to transition to an iPad, but I haven't put much time into it.  Also, I find that posture is really important, I know it sounds stupid, but it really helps me.

 


  

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tpcshadow #29 Posted 04 January 2017 - 11:00 PM

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View Postreluctanttheist, on 04 January 2017 - 03:58 PM, said:

The best way to look at this issue is to have players at a variety of skill levels give their feedback.  Someone who always aims manually on mobile - even when brawling - might find KBM entirely to their liking.  My reflexes are very fast; so it's not that I find it hard to aim at moving targets unless they are at close range.  And I'm sure I could master that too.

 

That is definitely not me. Is the username "SlothThumbs" available?



reluctanttheist #30 Posted 09 January 2017 - 10:19 PM

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Another great example of the use of KBM at a high skill level can be seen here:

https://youtu.be/Y9RtLd9XmMc?t=14m30s

 

He's manually aiming most of the time - but does get into autoaim when he brawls around the 15:15 mark.


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glass2707 #31 Posted 09 January 2017 - 11:32 PM

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Some of our guys that are dipping their toe into kb/m are finding it vastly superior.  Not sure if it is auto lock or just superior control on things like aiming.  The later would be my guess because when I used to play the original COD on PC I could wheel and kill anything almost instantly with a bold action rifle.

 

It is why snipers are OP in Overwatch on PC, but mostly garbage on console.  Well back when I played it anyway(they could have made balancing changes for all I know since then).  The mouse is just so easy to aim with in comparison to anything else.  


Edited by glass2707, 09 January 2017 - 11:33 PM.


reluctanttheist #32 Posted 09 January 2017 - 11:56 PM

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It ain't the auto lock.  It's manual aiming on a big screen and controlling the zoom so you can see what you need to depending on the distance to the target and what the target is.  I think you've nailed with the aiming thing - the mouse is good for precision work.  A good mouse and configured drivers and settings are absolutely necessary for success.

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reluctanttheist #33 Posted 21 March 2017 - 02:50 AM

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One of the bugs with Blitz on Steam is that the orientation of the camera often changes radically when going in and out of sniper mode.  You're zoomed in on a tank, and you zoom out, and the camera reorients itself 20-30 degrees downward from your scoped view!  Ugh - really??  That bug is OLD.  I'm using the latest version of Logitech Setpoint with a DarkField mouse.  Works on glass - amazing.

 

Brawling still sucks on PC.  I did a solid 100 games each on mobile, then on PC on the same tank, and kept careful track of damage.  I did about 3% less damage on PC than I do on Blitz it would seem.  Winrate was pretty close - perhaps 0.8% difference.


Edited by reluctanttheist, 21 March 2017 - 02:51 AM.

Tanks:  _X: T110E5, T110E3, FV215b(183), IS-7, Obj.140  _IX: M103, T-54  _VIII: IS-6, T34, Lowe, T-44, IS-6, IS-3D  _VII: T-43, Comet, E25, AT-15A, SU-122-44
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Leadf00t #34 Posted 21 March 2017 - 03:03 AM

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View Postreluctanttheist, on 04 January 2017 - 01:36 PM, said:

 

Can anyone confirm if the Mac version of Blitz is similar to Steam / Win10 in terms of aiming behaviour?

 

They are exactly the same.

Edited by Leadf00t, 21 March 2017 - 03:03 AM.


Leadf00t #35 Posted 21 March 2017 - 03:05 AM

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As for the subject of the post, I think for the most part, RT, you hit the nail on the head.

 

I do think that Glass makes a good point about overwatch and sniping on MKB.

 

One thing neither of you mention is that I feel a bit more precise with MKB when moving.  Part of that could be my thumbs, but it always seems as if MKB has a bit of advantage in that regard.

 

Overall, if there's an advantage gained by either side, it is slim and situational.

 

I've played a lot of multi-platform shooters over the years, and this one does as good of a job balancing them as I've seen.  Much of that is the fact that the game isn't as twichy as other shooters.


Edited by Leadf00t, 21 March 2017 - 03:07 AM.


Maplexi #36 Posted 21 March 2017 - 03:15 AM

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As long as WG keep the option to segregate queues to same only, I don't really care what people use.

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SweatyFalcon #37 Posted 21 March 2017 - 01:10 PM

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KBM makes you get those snapshots.

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jkwon126 #38 Posted 21 March 2017 - 01:55 PM

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KBM pros:

 

- can drive, aim and shoot simultaneously.

- not having to use my aiming/firing thumb to use consumables or select ammo.

- scroll wheel zoom

- typically, much bigger screen

- can have the minimap AND the tanklist expanded at the same time.

 

KBM cons:

 

- hamfisted driving. WASD is digital and can't do the fluid subtle driving paths of touchscreen.



reluctanttheist #39 Posted 21 March 2017 - 05:35 PM

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View Postjkwon126, on 21 March 2017 - 05:55 AM, said:

KBM pros:

 

- can drive, aim and shoot simultaneously.  RT: sorta - gotta do some finger stretches to hit all those keys at once - kinda like playing the piano

- not having to use my aiming/firing thumb to use consumables or select ammo. RT: agreed, though I leave the ammo bar on when on mobile

- scroll wheel zoom  RT: it's OK - I use manual zoom and I find I have to roll the wheel a bit to get to the first zoom level, then two roll detents to the 2nd and the 3rd.  Not as fluid as I'd like

- typically, much bigger screen  RT: this is a game-changer

- can have the minimap AND the tanklist expanded at the same time.  RT: true - not sure of the tactical value of that though

 

KBM cons:

 

- hamfisted driving. WASD is digital and can't do the fluid subtle driving paths of touchscreen.  RT: mobile only has 100% left/right/forward/reverse - there's no 50% movement possible - you're either moving or not, so no advantage to mobile.  I would say the precision of WASD is helpful, though it's less intuitive to drive this way.

 

Good comments.  Sometimes on KBM if I'm looking down on my tank from the front in a brawl I lose my sense of direction and end up turning the tank the wrong way.

 

As for snapshots - mobile wins those any day.  KBM does not snapshot as well - though it can of course still be done.


Edited by reluctanttheist, 21 March 2017 - 05:36 PM.

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Edward045 #40 Posted 21 March 2017 - 05:42 PM

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I play on both but I am way more comfortable on my big iMac. I won't repeat all the positives that have been listed but they are true for me in spades. I do have 3 issues.
1. I have my sniper mode set as a right click and fire button as a left click. Every few games I will accidentally send a round down range instead of getting sniper mode because of the apple mouse. Not a big deal in a crom, comet, cent etc. But when it happens on the is-6 big oops.
2. The direction buttons get reversed depending on if you are backing up or not. I have backed up more then one incline accidentally and the wiggle and giggle is not nearly as random as it should be.
3. The mini map is very small relatively speaking and can be tough to follow because 3x zoom for the map on the big screen is not that big.





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