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Fishy_ #21 Posted 19 January 2017 - 12:35 AM

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We should split phone and tablet tourneys. Tablet players enjoy an advantage that phone players don't get, like better performance and easier aiming. Plus, the screens are bigger so it raises your awareness more. I have played all 3 platforms, and let me tell ya, phone is the worst way to play. Buttons are too small.

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View PostCK_Honeycomb, on 18 January 2017 - 04:35 PM, said:

We should split phone and tablet tourneys. Tablet players enjoy an advantage that phone players don't get, like better performance and easier aiming. Plus, the screens are bigger so it raises your awareness more. I have played all 3 platforms, and let me tell ya, phone is the worst way to play. Buttons are too small.

 

Yeah! Tablets are so unfair compared to phones! It's impossible to keep up with a tablet player when I'm using my phone! I can barely see anything!



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View PostCK_Honeycomb, on 18 January 2017 - 07:35 PM, said:

We should split phone and tablet tourneys. Tablet players enjoy an advantage that phone players don't get, like better performance and easier aiming. Plus, the screens are bigger so it raises your awareness more. I have played all 3 platforms, and let me tell ya, phone is the worst way to play. Buttons are too small.

 

A lot of smartphones have better performance than tablets.

 

I don't know about other people, but I prefer phone over tablets. :child:



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View PostCK_Honeycomb, on 18 January 2017 - 04:35 PM, said:

We should split phone and tablet tourneys. Tablet players enjoy an advantage that phone players don't get, like better performance and easier aiming. Plus, the screens are bigger so it raises your awareness more. I have played all 3 platforms, and let me tell ya, phone is the worst way to play. Buttons are too small.

 

Sounds like you're a little frustrated they split kbm and touch. If you look at Twister Cup, Team ID (who got 2nd place), had 2 players playing on a phone. When it comes to phone vs tablet, it's just personal preference. ;)

 


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View PostTheMasterStealy141, on 18 January 2017 - 06:37 PM, said:

 

A lot of smartphones have better performance than tablets.

 

I don't know about other people, but I prefer phone over tablets. :child:

I guess. I don't want to play with people who are using iPhone 6 and 7 while i'm running on my iPhone5. Too unfair.


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View Post_Pandageddon, on 18 January 2017 - 06:40 PM, said:

 

Sounds like you're a little frustrated they split kbm and touch. If you look at Twister Cup, Team ID (who got 2nd place), had 2 players playing on a phone. When it comes to phone vs tablet, it's just personal preference. ;)

Maybe. It's frustrating when your team is split and there's nothing you can do about it. Oh wait, you guys wouldn't know that feeling. Hmmmm... fortunate.

 

 

I'm just gonna go now... We'll see how this plays out.


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View Post_Pandageddon, on 18 January 2017 - 07:40 PM, said:

 

Sounds like you're a little frustrated they split kbm and touch. If you look at Twister Cup, Team ID (who got 2nd place), had 2 players playing on a phone. When it comes to phone vs tablet, it's just personal preference. ;)

 

Isn't KBM vs Tablet just personal preference?  I've tried KBM and always end up back on my tablet.  PC is just easier to record on. 

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Hey Sly,

 

I'm usually not one to wander to the forums, but this was something I wanted to ask about and clarify in regards to the tournaments.

 

View PostCC_Sly, on 18 January 2017 - 07:30 PM, said:

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View PostCC_Sly, on 18 January 2017 - 08:01 PM, said:

I am not a fan of it - but they want data on how these thing do. So I am expecting some tournaments to outright fail to get to the 64 team minimum. That will mean they do not run at all.

 

I believe your reply to PixelRage answered my question, but I just want to explicitly ask this. Is this separation being done solely to gain data on how tournament participation and tournament results are effected by not having mixed control type teams? In other words, is this a test that may not become a permanent change in tournaments?

 

As with PixelRage's and others concerns, I know this will split many teams during the month. As a long term thing I definitely do not support this at all as I do not see an inherent imbalance between both control types. I know some feel and argue you have advantages on PC as opposed to mobile, but I have yet to see any solid evidence or argument supporting these imbalanced claims. However, as a short term test I find this adequate and acceptable to gain information on the feasibility and effects of having mandatory split control tournaments. I'd actually be interested to see data on how many players participating in the tournaments are on PC or mobile, what the average composition of teams are for both control types, what percentage of winning/losing teams have PC or mobile controls, etc.



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View Post_34, on 18 January 2017 - 06:37 PM, said:

 

Yeah! Tablets are so unfair compared to phones! It's impossible to keep up with a tablet player when I'm using my phone! I can barely see anything!

I play on a phone....


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View PostCK_Honeycomb, on 18 January 2017 - 04:42 PM, said:

Maybe. It's frustrating when your team is split and there's nothing you can do about it. Oh wait, you guys wouldn't know that feeling. Hmmmm... fortunate.

 

Yes, rather fortunate indeed.

 

After reading many comments above and below, I only see people siding with the split from one group of players.


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Every clan has their KBM players, so if they want to bring them on, they can. I don't see a reason why split. That would really limit some teams in participating if they have some members on their competition team who play on KB/M.

 

A keyboard does not make a player good. His map awareness, tactics, shot calling does not improve the second he sits behind a computer screen. The auto aim feature that everyone is hype about on PC sucks at tier 8+, so most of the tourneys at high tiers you're better of playing with TOUCH autoaim.


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View Post_Fuego, on 18 January 2017 - 06:44 PM, said:

Hey Sly,

 

I'm usually not one to wander to the forums, but this was something I wanted to ask about and clarify in regards to the tournaments.

 

 

 

I believe your reply to PixelRage answered my question, but I just want to explicitly ask this. Is this separation being done solely to gain data on how tournament participation and tournament results are effected by not having mixed control type teams? In other words, is this a test that may not become a permanent change in tournaments?

 

As with PixelRage's and others concerns, I know this will split many teams during the month. As a long term thing I definitely do not support this at all as I do not see an inherent imbalance between both control types. I know some feel and argue you have advantages on PC as opposed to mobile, but I have yet to see any solid evidence or argument supporting these imbalanced claims. However, as a short term test I find this adequate and acceptable to gain information on the feasibility and effects of having mandatory split control tournaments. I'd actually be interested to see data on how many players participating in the tournaments are on PC or mobile, what the average composition of teams are for both control types, what percentage of winning/losing teams have PC or mobile controls, etc.

 

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I feel all control types should be available for all tournaments.

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View Post_Fuego, on 18 January 2017 - 07:44 PM, said:

Hey Sly,

 

I'm usually not one to wander to the forums, but this was something I wanted to ask about and clarify in regards to the tournaments.

 

 

 

I believe your reply to PixelRage answered my question, but I just want to explicitly ask this. Is this separation being done solely to gain data on how tournament participation and tournament results are effected by not having mixed control type teams? In other words, is this a test that may not become a permanent change in tournaments?

 

As with PixelRage's and others concerns, I know this will split many teams during the month. As a long term thing I definitely do not support this at all as I do not see an inherent imbalance between both control types. I know some feel and argue you have advantages on PC as opposed to mobile, but I have yet to see any solid evidence or argument supporting these imbalanced claims. However, as a short term test I find this adequate and acceptable to gain information on the feasibility and effects of having mandatory split control tournaments. I'd actually be interested to see data on how many players participating in the tournaments are on PC or mobile, what the average composition of teams are for both control types, what percentage of winning/losing teams have PC or mobile controls, etc.

 

I second this... as long as you guys can release some data so we all can see.
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Fishy_ #35 Posted 19 January 2017 - 12:48 AM

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I just hope we get to see the data, unlike the +1/-1 mm "experiment"

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Sly, are you aware of any metrics being collected such as frequency of tournaments vs. the participation as opposed to split platforms vs. participation? I would certainly tend to think that 2-4 tournaments per week and lower prize pools will generally lead to lower participation simply due to availability of players,fatigue or it not being worth the time since there's very little gold/credit gain. It would seem that looking at these metrics and experimenting with variables might be valuable as opposed to making an assumption that platform is the sole factor between the variables. One final question, is this test for North America only, or all servers? Curious to hear your thoughts here..

 

 


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Wait a minute... Now that I think about it... what's the point of running an experiment when the two control modes aren't even mixing? What kind of data is WG gonna look at? If anything, there should be a mixed tournament to see if KBM players do better on average than mobile. This doesn't seem right...

 

EDIT: So I see that there may be one or two mixed ones. Hmmm... I still don't see how this is "scientific"


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If you force folks who are accustomed to KBM to use a tablet, you'll see the same data as if you force folks who are accustomed to tablets to use phones.   It's not about if one gives an advantage over the other, folks just play better on what they prefer.  

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View PostCK_Honeycomb, on 19 January 2017 - 12:42 AM, said:

Maybe. It's frustrating when your team is split and there's nothing you can do about it. Oh wait, you guys wouldn't know that feeling. Hmmmm... fortunate.

 

 

I'm just gonna go now... We'll see how this plays out.

 

considering how we've seen your "pc players" on mobile...you have one leg to stand on. Considering some of your alleged "pc only" players have been playing since 2014, long before pc blitz was available, I'm pretty sure that's both legs gone, so stop the crocodile tears. We have pc players too, with long standing wot pc backgrounds. They, like several people, want to see tournaments on even footing e.g. By Platform/control mode - mobile/touch or kb/m. 

 

Simple fact is wargaming will inevitably have some unhappy players, they want to test and measure, so let's see where this goes.


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Thank You CC for the upcoming Tournaments.

And also the separation of the two Platforms.

I've been playing Kbm, and all it does is make me want to switch from Blitz to WOT. 

As one of the Top Contributers to this Game, seems like a bad idea to refocus my spending to a different Platform.


Edited by R0CKET, 19 January 2017 - 01:03 AM.

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