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Poll: Your Thoughts on +1/-1 (134 members have cast votes)

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Were you for or against +1/-1 Originally?

  1. Yes, I was against +1/-1 (65 votes [47.10%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 47.10%

  2. Voted No, I was for +1/-1 (73 votes [52.90%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 52.90%

Are you for or against +1/-1 Currently?

  1. Yes, I am against +1/-1 (64 votes [47.76%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 47.76%

  2. Voted No, I am for +1/-1 (70 votes [52.24%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 52.24%

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blitz_stern #21 Posted 23 January 2017 - 03:13 PM

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I was for the old match making. Why? Because of many reasons. One is, people are now reckless because they don't know how to be a second line support tank or to actually conserve there HP as to not waste it at the start of the battle. Now since there always top tier, our just a tier lower, there more reckless and aggressive then they should be. The games player base has gotten worse because of this.

whne I started playing world of tanks on PC, I slowly learned that when I'm battom tier, I can't be as aggressive and reckless as I could be when I'm top tier. It teaches players to be more aware. Now that this new match making has been implanted, players will never learn this because they don't have to be afraid of getting hit by an E100, or afraid they can't pen anything. It is making players more stupid then ever. at least with the hold match making, they could learn to not be as aggressive and find different tactic to use to be more effective.

 

Another reason is that the new match making has brought down the value of some premium tanks. IS-6 and super Pershing where great choices for those who did not like to see tier 10 tanks. Now because people wanted this new match making system, the value has been brought down.

 

 



___Chimera #22 Posted 23 January 2017 - 03:30 PM

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I remember the time i fought a T95 in my Comet. Lovely times, they were.

 


Edited by _RachelReynolds, 23 January 2017 - 03:32 PM.

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WMd76 #23 Posted 23 January 2017 - 03:37 PM

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+1/-1 blotz and leads to less tier diversity and tank diversity, people who complain about +2/-2 are either cant learn, or just want a reason to whine

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WipWapJaws #24 Posted 23 January 2017 - 03:42 PM

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Didnt like it then and dont like it now.   

 

For me it has dumbed down the game and lowered the skill level.



BobboEvans #25 Posted 23 January 2017 - 03:42 PM

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Well.  You come back, open a gaping wound and poor salt in it.  I think the +2/-2 debate will fester as long as there players who remember it...  let it lie.

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Dark_Magician_Girl #26 Posted 23 January 2017 - 03:46 PM

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I never played during +2/-2, but from the aftermath that I play in now I believe +1/-1 was the right move.

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ahredstealth #27 Posted 23 January 2017 - 03:51 PM

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View Postalexbuildit, on 23 January 2017 - 07:35 AM, said:

Well, it has been a long, long time since the implementation of +1/-1 MM. Originally I was against it pretty heavily, but it really hasn't been that bad. I can understand why they made that a thing for blitz. It actually has balanced a game with only 7 players per team; however, I still don't think that it would be a good idea for PC WOT or other iterations of the game. What are your thoughts after all of this? Discuss. 

 

Poll is broken.  What about an option for "Didn't really care 1 way or another then" and "Don't really care 1 way or another now."

 

View Postnoobest_noob, on 23 January 2017 - 08:13 AM, said:

KV2 more OP

 

This is probably the biggest issue that I have with 1/1...  They utterly failed to re-balance tanks correctly.  Big Derps with lower pen got to be Stupid OP...  because they no longer had higher tiers with heavy armor to balance them out...

And other balancing issues that WG'ing just sort of... well didn't do...  Such as Tanks with Pref MM'ing that got hosed... In this post I'll use the Panther M/10 for an example...

 

View PostTomio_Hara, on 23 January 2017 - 08:45 AM, said:

Also, tiers 5 and 6 had +2/-1, putting them at a severe disadvantage. Tiers 9 and 10 had +1/-2 or +0/-2 giving them a reward for grinding up there.. Only tiers 7 and 8 had true +2/-2 mm. Remember why no one used to play tier V and VI for fun?

 

I use to play tier 6 for fun in +2/-1... it was one of my favorite tiers.  Hence so many games in my Victory and Fury...  But it did suck going up against an IS-6 and knowing you were just basically hosed...  However, that didn't happen every game.

It was also fun in the IS-6 and the Hype every now and then when you could smash through the game like Godzilla.




Overall, I still don't care... but I do wish they would have adjusted more for the tanks that were suddenly broken OP.

Also, I will admit that it's nice to grind a tank where you aren't getting instantly curb-stomped by a +2 tier tank...  It has actually made the game more grind friendly...

However, as other's have said, the "Everyone Gets a Trophy" brigade can now waltz through the lower tiers and complete their mission to ruin everyone's game even quicker... which sucks.


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_34 #28 Posted 23 January 2017 - 03:56 PM

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I love +/-1!

cheasesteak #29 Posted 23 January 2017 - 04:14 PM

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+1/-1 is good, but I wouldn't mind seeing +2 MM brought back for tier 8+.  Then the high tier players can have their expanded MM, and tiers 5 and 6 stay fun. 

 

 

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Subtlepro #30 Posted 23 January 2017 - 04:18 PM

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Reminds me of old times!

I,m glad I was able to play both!

Would be interesting to add the option +2/-2, like the supremacy option and see how popular each one really is.



Howitzer_155 #31 Posted 23 January 2017 - 04:26 PM

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View PostTomio_Hara, on 23 January 2017 - 09:58 AM, said:

 

I think you are forgetting this is a MOBILE game, not some PC game people paid $50 just to buy. If players reach a point where every other match they are getting destroyed wether victory or not, most would uninstall because it is just a free mobile game. If you require too much skill you wouldn't have nearly as many players on and only skilled players remaining with everyone gravitating towards a 50% WR.

I disagree....many of us grinded to multiple tier 10's with -2+2, and large majority are still playing and didn't delete because we died or that it was to hard.....ever try playing a stock T-44 against and e-100?  I didn't give a crap, u grind, u learn, and you get a skill set needed to play well.....people say oh the good tier 10 players just wanna smash tier 8's,  not thinking that in the past we were getting smashed by tier10's in our tier8's....-1/+1 is ridiculous.  IMO.  



BoomMfer #32 Posted 23 January 2017 - 04:32 PM

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I was against the change, now I've just learned to accept it. It's not changing back so we just have to deal with it. It probably does increase retention amongst the more casual player base but I still hear guys whining about being low tier. Can never make everyone happy.

Edited by BoomMfer, 23 January 2017 - 04:33 PM.


Lulu___ #33 Posted 23 January 2017 - 04:38 PM

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View PostHowitzer_155, on 23 January 2017 - 11:26 AM, said:

I disagree....many of us grinded to multiple tier 10's with -2+2, and large majority are still playing and didn't delete because we died or that it was to hard.....ever try playing a stock T-44 against and e-100?  I didn't give a crap, u grind, u learn, and you get a skill set needed to play well.....people say oh the good tier 10 players just wanna smash tier 8's,  not thinking that in the past we were getting smashed by tier10's in our tier8's....-1/+1 is ridiculous.  IMO.  

 

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outersketcher #34 Posted 23 January 2017 - 04:38 PM

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Don't care either way.. I just play the game.

 

Tho, I do have to admit, the idea of being stomped on by some guy in a tank two tiers higher then my own, while my team-mates.. in their own high-throned, tier-two higher vehicles, ridicule my efforts to support the team in local chat. Has little appeal to me.


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_DragonKRIEG #35 Posted 23 January 2017 - 05:12 PM

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View PostTomio_Hara, on 23 January 2017 - 09:58 AM, said:

 

I think you are forgetting this is a MOBILE game, not some PC game people paid $50 just to buy. If players reach a point where every other match they are getting destroyed wether victory or not, most would uninstall because it is just a free mobile game. If you require too much skill you wouldn't have nearly as many players on and only skilled players remaining with everyone gravitating towards a 50% WR.

 

We are talking about +/-1 MM, not Wargaming'a business interests. If you're telling me killing a Tiger II in a Cromwell takes too much skill and that pubs would uninstall if they fail to do so repeatedly, then so be it. We're better off without braindeads that don't know what side and rear armor is anyway.

Psychopathy #36 Posted 23 January 2017 - 05:16 PM

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+2/-2 isn't that bad but when high tiers gone wrong. What we can do in low tier? Spam gold and get minus income or get lost?

+1/-1 is not what WG planned for but since it was approved that player base is better than +2/-2 and by this they compensate the loses by put in gold modules, boosters, blah blah blah etc...



Player_39363936 #37 Posted 23 January 2017 - 05:20 PM

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If you like being a -2.  Go to a training room and be a -2.

 

Haven't seen anyone doing that.

 

If it was so great why aren't you doing that?

 

The truth is people loved being +2  ... think IS-6  vs  Cromwell here ...   but being -2 was unfair.

 

+2/-2 is gone forever, and it aint coming back.



Player_39363936 #38 Posted 23 January 2017 - 05:28 PM

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View PostTheFluffyPinkDragon, on 23 January 2017 - 05:12 PM, said:

 

We are talking about +/-1 MM, not Wargaming'a business interests. If you're telling me killing a Tiger II in a Cromwell takes too much skill and that pubs would uninstall if they fail to do so repeatedly, then so be it. We're better off without braindeads that don't know what side and rear armor is anyway.

 

So tell me ... How many times did you get killed in your Tiger II by a Cromwell?

 

And I think you're remembering the glory days of your Cromwell a little wrong ...  it's actually stat wise one of your worst tanks.   I would even say you struggled in it.



STINGRAY_2020 #39 Posted 23 January 2017 - 05:46 PM

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I've always favoured +2/-2.

Now, back in the day, the big problem was the matchmaker unevenly distributing tiers. For example, one team would have 4 tier X tanks, the other would have 2. They actually fixed that just after the initial 1/1 test concluded and they went back to 2/2 for a little while. That short time frame was probably the best tanking experience I've ever had in this game.

+1/-1 matchmaking encourages either too much brawling or too much camping (depending on tiers it seems). When players know they can pen pretty well every tank frontal, why use tactics right?

Tier X is a mess. World of TDs as you could call it. Nothing like seeing 4 FV218b 183s and 2 Grilles across both teams. Add your IS7s to the mix and you have one boring game.

Want to reduce steamrolls? Bring back 2/2. Platoons of Defenders will now see tier 10s. RUs would actually have to spot and use thier camo, the list goes on. The dynamic of +2/-2 was far more fun and exciting.

 

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__Crusader6__ #40 Posted 23 January 2017 - 06:24 PM

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I think +/-2 make player better IF they wanted to be better. 

  You used to need a solid tier 9 game to ace the Comet.  

 

Medium game play was much more dynamic in +/-2. 

 

 

I ground 11+ of the tier X tanks during +/-2  

 

 

 

However I understand that +/-1 is here to stay.  


 
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