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someguyfromPitt #1 Posted 21 February 2017 - 09:04 PM

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So I've been grinding away the T54E1 and finally took the time to investigate for myself the T57 and all the details. There is a HUGE hole in the middle of the turret that assists in an average penetratable surface at over 55% of the current face from 50-70 meters from an E5 shooting AP. The face also subject to big boom damage from a FV 183 at 60-70 meters with AP or HESH. 

 

The current armor profile is not representative of what it was in PC and is a huge issue. Developers saw this issue with the Patton and saw the need to repair the design as a hit skin. This too is needed for the T57.

 

Here air some current images of shots in a E5 and a FV 183 in a training room. Huge thanks to Poptart Pounder and Kyle the dude for being put this together. This shows some of the weak spots, especially the donut in the middle of the turret where the angle and armor would be the strongest.

 

FV 183 shooting HESH-

 

 

FV 183 shooting AP-

 

E5 shooting AP-

E5 shooting heat-

 

 

My proposal is to make the turret more like it should look at 200mm of sharply angled armor, much like the previous mediums with 200mm of round armor, but at a much steeper angle. Here is what I'd proposed as the armor to look at the E5 and FV 183 once improved.

 

FV183 AP-

 

fV 183 HESH-

 

E5 AP-

 

E5 HEAT-

 

Let me know what you think war gaming. 

 

Here is another fact we tested tonight. Bounce factor of the turret for the T57 vs E5 vs AMX vs IS-4 vs E100 vs Maus

 

the ability to bounce shots as a heavy facing or in a angled position to bounce shots is based off a couple of abilities...

 

1) Wiggle - E5 IS -4 - face on the weak spots MAY bounce. However a place shot will hit a targeted top weak spot. 

2) Angle - E100 & Maus - keeping a 45* angle will bounce shots at 58' and show up red

3) Back n forth movement - AMX - moving back caused a bounce at a 45* angle. This worked with the E5 and IS4 too. 

 

however NONE of the movements to bouce work as well in a T57. The turret needs the BIG DONUT in the middle needs plugged. 

 

Please assess and make changes to this armor flaw. The "cheeks" should be the weak spot with a turret on top should allowed skilled shooters to and kill the T57. The gun is fine, movement is fine, the turret hole needs fixed. 

 


Edited by someguyfromPitt, 22 February 2017 - 07:05 AM.

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Augustus_GoldNoob_Sohn #2 Posted 21 February 2017 - 09:05 PM

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View PostsomeguyfromPitt, on 21 February 2017 - 01:04 PM, said:

So I've been grinding away the T54E1 and finally took the time to investigate for myself the T57 and all the details. There is a HUGE hole in the middle of the turret that assists in an average penetratable surface at over 55% of the current face from 50-70 meters from an E5 shooting AP. The face also subject to big boom damage from a FV 183 at 60-70 meters with AP or HESH. 

 

The current armor profile is not representative of what it was in PC and is a huge issue. Developers saw this issue with the Patton and saw the need to repair the design as a hit skin. This too is needed for the T57

 

Here air some current images of shots in a E5 and a FV 183 in a training room. Huge thanks to Poptart Pounder and Kyle the dude for being put this together. This shows some of the weak spots, especially the donut in the middle of the turret where the angle and armor would be the strongest.

 

Sir. Did you forget said images? I see nothing.

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Posit1ve_ #3 Posted 21 February 2017 - 09:07 PM

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What T57 really needs is a gun buff. The armor is fine IMO, and even on PC it's a laughable joke. What it has on PC is crazy DPM and time between shells.

 

On Blitz IMO what it needs is 2 seconds between shells and an 18 second reload. That'll give it the same DPM and time between shellsas it has on Pc


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WMd76 #4 Posted 21 February 2017 - 09:09 PM

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I'm in for a buff

So do I pledge here? :P


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Tomio_Hara #5 Posted 21 February 2017 - 09:11 PM

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Buff it because we need some good ol American bias!

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_RedWizard_ #6 Posted 21 February 2017 - 09:14 PM

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Remove Russian bias BUFF the T57 heavy.

 

Make American tanks the new meta


Edited by _RedWizard_, 21 February 2017 - 09:16 PM.


_Dragongeddon #7 Posted 21 February 2017 - 09:20 PM

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Fix the E5 as well

 



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I will only agree if they Buff both halves rather than just the top part!

someguyfromPitt #9 Posted 21 February 2017 - 09:24 PM

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View PostAugustus_Sohn_Prime, on 21 February 2017 - 04:05 PM, said:

 

Sir. Did you forget said images? I see nothing.

 

its cause the POS crashed 7 times and I haven't finished inserting th pictures. 

 

 


Tier 10's: FV 183, T110E3, T110E4, T110E5, T57, Patton M48, IS-4, IS-7, T-62a, Obj 140

 

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General_Vodka #10 Posted 21 February 2017 - 09:36 PM

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yes buff it, its weak

someguyfromPitt #11 Posted 21 February 2017 - 09:41 PM

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So after 13 crashes in editing the post, it's finally correct. 

 

Please reply war gaming on your thoughts.

 

i will not pick up the T57 unless something is done to make it better. 


Tier 10's: FV 183, T110E3, T110E4, T110E5, T57, Patton M48, IS-4, IS-7, T-62a, Obj 140

 

There is only one TD, and 183 is her name. 


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I feel like we've been asking for the same changes since the day this tank got released. Really quite disappointed with tank. Hopefully the French can prove that it needs to be brought back to its original glory. #bufft57

Wboys #13 Posted 21 February 2017 - 10:00 PM

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View PostTheFluffyPinkDragon, on 21 February 2017 - 03:20 PM, said:

Fix the E5 as well

 

 

Wow, I never knew that. I can't say I've ever seen anyone pen me there though. Is it a viable weak spot? Hatch seems 10x easier to hit IMO.

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TexaninSteelTown #14 Posted 21 February 2017 - 11:15 PM

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View PostTheFluffyPinkDragon, on 21 February 2017 - 04:20 PM, said:

Fix the E5 as well

 

 

Half the time you didn't pen, but even still, why aim for the center of the mantlet when you can hit the massive tumor instead?

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someguyfromPitt #15 Posted 22 February 2017 - 01:26 AM

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Well, with the reload difference on the French, unless the gun, or more ideally the turret armor, is buffed, this is not a auto loader that is as competitive as the other lines with auto loaders forthcoming. 

Tier 10's: FV 183, T110E3, T110E4, T110E5, T57, Patton M48, IS-4, IS-7, T-62a, Obj 140

 

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Great post pitt!

someguyfromPitt #17 Posted 22 February 2017 - 03:59 AM

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Here is another fact we tested tonight. Bounce factor of the turret for the T57 vs E5 vs AMX vs IS-4 vs E100 vs Maus

 

the ability to bounce shots as a heavy facing or in a angled position to bounce shots is based off a couple of abilities...

 

1) Wiggle - E5 IS -4 - face on the weak spots MAY bounce. However a place shot will hit a targeted top weak spot. 

2) Angle - E100 & Maus - keeping a 45* angle will bounce shots at 58' and show up red

3) Back n forth movement - AMX - moving back caused a bounce at a 45* angle. This worked with the E5 and IS4 too. 

 

however NONE of the movements to bouce work as well in a T57. The turret needs the BIG DONUT in the middle needs plugged. 

 

Please assess and make changes to this armor flaw. The "cheeks" should be the weak spot with a turret on top should allowed skilled shooters to and kill the T57. The gun is fine, movement is fine, the turret hole needs fixed. 

 

Please help. 

 


Edited by someguyfromPitt, 22 February 2017 - 04:01 AM.

Tier 10's: FV 183, T110E3, T110E4, T110E5, T57, Patton M48, IS-4, IS-7, T-62a, Obj 140

 

There is only one TD, and 183 is her name. 


someguyfromPitt #18 Posted 01 March 2017 - 03:55 AM

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Was this ever discussed with WG brass?

Tier 10's: FV 183, T110E3, T110E4, T110E5, T57, Patton M48, IS-4, IS-7, T-62a, Obj 140

 

There is only one TD, and 183 is her name. 


someguyfromPitt #19 Posted 11 March 2017 - 12:06 AM

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So WarGaming, please comment on the T57 and if the turret changes have been mentioned?

 

 

 

What is a timeframe on decisions on changes to tanks?

 

Could we see an announcement by the end of the NEXT update (before 3.8)?


Tier 10's: FV 183, T110E3, T110E4, T110E5, T57, Patton M48, IS-4, IS-7, T-62a, Obj 140

 

There is only one TD, and 183 is her name. 


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I'm done playing the t57. Aside from my own lack of skill, this just doesnt seem like a good tank, not for soloing pub matches, anyways... Tank needs some kind of buff. 

In the meantime, I might as well load up the 183 and hesh more t57s in the face, since it's as easy to pen as the leo1.


View Post_War_Child_, on 20 June 2017 - 12:16 PM, said:

Let's face it, they don't even know what it will be and even if they do, they'll probably implement it wrong.

 





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