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Tackmoney #321 Posted 28 February 2017 - 07:24 PM

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Wow, 80 players who won it in CW just walked backwards through a cornfield...I'd be livid.

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View PostAlucard8732, on 28 February 2017 - 06:30 PM, said:

Anyone in a fearless will now have a in game "bounty" on the battlefield.

 

 

 

Im just gonna leave this here. 

 

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mike82198 #323 Posted 28 February 2017 - 07:30 PM

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View PostG0ClimbAR0ck, on 28 February 2017 - 02:16 PM, said:

 

"No one was denied a thing... Through the giveaway" - I, along with maaaaaany others, were denied the opportunity to play a long sought after tank that was "supposed" to be an award tank, like it was on PC. I haven't done anything deeming myself to be worthy of something unlike a new account who was awarded the tank? So playing for 2 1/2 years doesn't go as far as playing for a few months, noted.

 

And with all the rigging and fixing that was going on during cw2, there were rumbling going on that wg wouldn't even award the Fearless. My condolences that the months of long hard work it took you to "win" the fearless are now considered wasted.

 

 I would pay money to get an M60, yet it was given away randomly for free. Who knows when it will be "awarded" again, or what someone would need to do in order to get one. I am upset about that. I have no dog in this fearless debacle. It just astounds me to see the level of hypocrisy coming out of people who have the M60 and say no one else deserves it, and now the is6 fearless who say no one else deserves it.

 

All I have left to say now that wg has corrected one of their messes is

LOL

 

The opportunity to play the M60 is not a right. You and I were denied nothing - we didn't earn the tank so we did not get it. The feeling that others received it not in accordance to your merit scale is annoying/childishly entitled (depending on viewpoint) but doesn't constitute a broken promise of any sort or a lie on any level. Perhaps you're just not as valuable a customer as you think you are. 

 

The exclusivity of the Fearless as never-to-be-sold prize tank was guaranteed to the participants prior to the first battle of CW and was reaffirmed since. Somewhat laughably, it has been reaffirmed again in this thread - as if repeated sale of the tank would make any difference at this point. 


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I guess my question i this - it took WG hours to remove these tanks from folks' accounts. Is it really going to take them days to return them?



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View Postmaxwell191145, on 28 February 2017 - 03:23 AM, said:

And I am the one that contacted Google play and learned that WG can be flagged on this issue. They did not tell me, but I'm thinking they are or well be looking into this. I was told that if WG gets flagged enough, they will be removed from the play store. Google is much respected. I don't think they would be very happy the way this matter was handled. I DO NOT want to cause problems for anyone. I only want what I paid for. I'm only using this as a tool to just that. It's just sad it had to come to this.

  

Are you kidding me. WG gives you an M60 for being loyal and you try to punish them because of a mistake that was made. How pathetic. 

 



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View Postmike82198, on 28 February 2017 - 02:30 PM, said:

 

The opportunity to play the M60 is not a right. You and I were denied nothing - we didn't earn the tank so we did not get it. That others received it not in accordance to your merit scale is annoying/childishly entitled (depending on viewpoint) but doesn't constitute a broken promise of any sort. The exclusivity of the Fearless as never-to-be-sold prize tank was guaranteed to the participants prior to the first battle of CW. 

Not anymore..... R.I.P. exclusivity......Blame it on WG for being inept and not on the players that got back what was rightfully theirs.  



reluctanttheist #327 Posted 28 February 2017 - 07:40 PM

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This administrative mistake in the rollout of the web store put WG in a very tight spot: many here were quoting from state statutes that said WG would be in hot water if it offered something for sale (which did happen, if for a few hours), then sold it and THEN took it back.  Internal discussions on Triarii's Discord server confirmed this, with several of our guys being pretty handy with the law.  WG pretty much had to do this for those who bought the tank.

 

So yes, the gold medal given at the tank olympics was accidentally given to any pleb with the cash.  But regardless of that:

 

  • the top clans are who they are, and no tank is necessary to identify them as such
  • people who buy the tank will be looked upon as silly nubs, imposters or obsessed tank collectors
  • those who actually care about this are 0.5% of the game population, and 0.0000018% of the actual population, so there's always that perspective

Edited by reluctanttheist, 28 February 2017 - 07:43 PM.

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View PostAlucard8732, on 28 February 2017 - 01:29 PM, said:

Im speechless. I really wanna know what caused the reverse in decision

 

The law.  

 

I'm honestly shocked anyone is surprised it went this way.  

 

Yes, I am honestly sorry for the CW2 winners who's tanks got 'devalued' 

 

But as soon as WG sold the Fearless, repo'int them was not going to fly.  

 

 

 


 

 
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View PostHowitzer_155, on 28 February 2017 - 02:35 PM, said:

Not anymore..... R.I.P. exclusivity......Blame it on WG for being inept and not on the players that got back what was rightfully theirs.  

 

If you read my first post in this thread, you'll notice that the first thing I said was that WG correctly - albeit belatedly and haphazardly - resolved the situation with regards to the people who bought the IS-6 Fearless. After exhausting all other alternatives, WG dug out its compass and found where the money is - and it's not in blatantly screwing your customers (for that there's more subtle new gambling features).

 

Trashing the efforts of some 80 people is much less detrimental to the bottom line, however, and thus requires a moral compass. A company that has the resources to sell, withdraw, and return hundreds of tanks has abundant resources to do something about this - if it cares. 


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reluctanttheist #331 Posted 28 February 2017 - 07:47 PM

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View Postmike82198, on 28 February 2017 - 11:44 AM, said:

If you read my first post in this thread, you'll notice that the first thing I said was that WG correctly - albeit belatedly and haphazardly - resolved the situation with regards to the people who bought the IS-6 Fearless. After exhausting all other alternatives, WG dug out its compass and found where the money is - and it's not in blatantly screwing your customers (for that there's more subtle new gambling features). Trashing the efforts of some 80 people is much less detrimental to the bottom line. 

 

This isn't about money lost to customers - it was about avoiding the potential legal expenditures if all the IS-6F owners went far enough with it.  A shutdown from Google... ending up in a state court for a breach of contract... the potential pitfalls are endless if they did not return the product that had been sold.  WG's mistake here only had one solution that didn't create a huge headache for them.

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View Postreluctanttheist, on 28 February 2017 - 02:47 PM, said:

 

This isn't about money lost to customers - it was about avoiding the potential legal expenditures if all the IS-6F owners went far enough with it.  A shutdown from Google... ending up in a state court for a breach of contract... the potential pitfalls are endless if they did not return the product that had been sold.  WG's mistake here only had one solution that didn't create a huge headache for them.

 

Bingo. 

 

One doesn't want to run afould of CA Consumer Protection laws. 

 

 And for those who want to quote the terms of service or the end-user license agreement please go and look at my comments earlier in this thread    

  

 

 

 


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View PostCC_Sly, on 28 February 2017 - 01:14 PM, said:

 

 

I cannot offer anything to the owners of the IS-6 Fearless who obtained them through Clan Wars in regards to this situation. 

 

 

View PostCC_Sly, on 28 February 2017 - 01:14 PM, said:

 

 

I cannot offer anything to the owners of the IS-6 Fearless who obtained them through Clan Wars in regards to this situation. 

 

 

Easy, just renamed the "earned" IS-6 fearless -> "IS-6 fearless CW". I'm sure for those who earned would be happy with this. Owners will be proud again and be able to showed that they really have earned the tank.

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View Post__Crusader6__, on 28 February 2017 - 11:50 AM, said:

Bingo. 

 

One doesn't want to run afould of CA Consumer Protection laws. 

 

 And for those who want to quote the terms of service or the end-user license agreement please go and look at my comments earlier in this thread    

 

I'd put good money down that WG had a brief consult with a lawyer who said, "Yeaaaaah, this is a No Brainer: you must provide the product that was (erroneously) offered and sold."  There's going to be a mere handful of people who bought these things anyway.  The Fearless is still an icon of a big win by the top clan.


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View Postreluctanttheist, on 28 February 2017 - 02:47 PM, said:

 

This isn't about money lost to customers - it was about avoiding the potential legal expenditures if all the IS-6F owners went far enough with it.  A shutdown from Google... ending up in a state court for a breach of contract... the potential pitfalls are endless if they did not return the product that had been sold.  WG's mistake here only had one solution that didn't create a huge headache for them.

 

You mention all these things, but what is historically much more pertinent - and WG has been making these mistakes for many years over multiple products, platforms and continents - is that the company has a consistent history with how seriously it treats paying customers. I was absolutely amazed when they pulled the tanks. I adamantly told people they'd never do it because WG has always respected purchases - at the expense of game experience if necessary. Why the powers that be act is they do in this regard, whether out of morals or fears of legal action (a much murkier issue than most think), I don't particularly care. 

 

Sadly, this solution seems consistent with another historical WG habit - disregarding the effort put into the game by the players. On PC they just put a CW reward tank into the tech tree. But hey, at least the winners there have a special camo to set them apart from the 40%ers...

 

 



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View PostDoNotCry, on 28 February 2017 - 11:59 AM, said:

Easy, just renamed the "earned" IS-6 fearless -> "IS-6 fearless CW". I'm sure for those who earned would be happy with this. Owners will be proud again and be able to showed that they really have earned the tank.

 

You mean, get the RU devs to alter the game files and put in a new tank that 50 people in NA got?  Good luck with that ;)


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When will it be returned? Also, what if you bought something with the gold you spent for it, (After getting fearless, and having it taken away, I got the normal is6 because I thought it won't be brought back.. any chance you can exchange my normal one for it back or something?) will the gold get reverted, or the items you bought be deducted from your account?



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Why would people want to buy an award tank, or the beta tank? It's like going out and buying a bowling trophy. Then a buddy comes to your house, sees the trophy and says "wow, you bowled a 300 game? That's so cool!". But all you can say is "nah, I've never bowled above 100. I bought the trophy, because not that many people bowl 300 games".

 

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View Postreluctanttheist, on 28 February 2017 - 03:01 PM, said:

 

You mean, get the RU devs to alter the game files and put in a new tank that 50 people in NA got?  Good luck with that ;)

 

Why not? Its just copy and rename. How hard can it be? It's not like it is a new tank with different stats or design. Just the name. And the purpose of the tank will be saved.

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View PostRedBarchetta3, on 28 February 2017 - 08:03 PM, said:

Why would people want to buy an award tank, or the beta tank? It's like going out and buying a bowling trophy. Then a buddy comes to your house, sees the trophy and says "wow, you bowled a 300 game? That's so cool!". But all you can say is "nah, I've never bowled above 100. I bought the trophy, because not that many people bowl 300 games".

 

Oh well, it is what it is. Winners, you'll always know you won it. 

 

Because when it went up for sale some of us thought 'Ah, the Fearless is no longer just an award tank, it's available for sale, and I like tanks with legenary camo, so I'll buy one'.

 

You're thinking with hindsight, with the knowledge that the Fearless was supposed to STAY an award-only tank. Had it remained on sale we'd be having a completely different conversation.

 






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