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Nek3d #361 Posted 28 February 2017 - 09:01 PM

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View Post__Crusader6__, on 28 February 2017 - 12:49 PM, said:

I'd say around 20,000 Gold each as a starting point. 

 

The problem is that any complaints to WG only work as long as some financial transaction is directly involved. I received the tank for exchange of my time and effort playing in CW, so there is exactly 0% chance of leveraging that into any sort of compensation.

 

PS. Seems like only NA gets the reversal. On Ru Fearless was recalled from those who bought it and that was the final decision on the matter.


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Orenz #362 Posted 28 February 2017 - 09:05 PM

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@CC_Sly, for those who got it from the Clan Wars, it should have the "#1" or be called "IS-6F Champ" to distinguish it from the regular IS-6 Fearless (that people bought with money/didn't win from CW). This would be able to separate players who just bought it, and those who won it from hard work and dedication. 

BushiBan #363 Posted 28 February 2017 - 09:10 PM

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View PostNek3d, on 28 February 2017 - 04:01 PM, said:

 

The problem is that any complaints to WG only work as long as some financial transaction is directly involved. I received the tank for exchange of my time and effort playing in CW, so there is exactly 0% chance of leveraging that into any sort of compensation.

 

PS. Seems like only NA gets the reversal. On Ru Fearless was recalled from those who bought it and that was the final decision on the matter.

 

I would PM Sly and let him know how you feel and any suggestions you have to make it right. I suggested to him a new Award Tank for CW and giving it to all past winners.

 

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_HighVoltage #364 Posted 28 February 2017 - 09:14 PM

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View PostBushiBan, on 28 February 2017 - 09:10 PM, said:

 

I would PM Sly and let him know how you feel and any suggestions you have to make it right. I suggested to him a new Award Tank for CW and giving it to all past winners.

 

Nope sly already said he can not offer anything, not to mention a tank.

 

What could be given to the winners much easier is a new camo that changes the displayed name of the tank, pretty much like the new tier X camos. It should be easier than actually changing the name of the tank since it might involve more coding works. 

 

When you ask something from a company like WG, you need to be practical. 


Edited by _HighVoltage, 28 February 2017 - 09:15 PM.


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Thanks for screwing over the CW Winners WG. 

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arandomguy_1 #366 Posted 28 February 2017 - 09:18 PM

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There goes the rarity on even MORE of the things I own, now I'm afraid to play them without being seen as one of the people who bought them

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Psyberius #367 Posted 28 February 2017 - 09:18 PM

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Thank you for the update. And good on WarGaming for owning up to their mistake and rectifying it. Confidence restored. 

 

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mike82198 #368 Posted 28 February 2017 - 09:24 PM

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View PostLtPork, on 28 February 2017 - 03:47 PM, said:

 

I don't think suffer was an appropriate word choice on my part. I'd say chaos to a certain degree, evident by the numerous Fearless threads people have been posting.

 

But the mistakes I was referring to don't include the bugs; those are easily fixed with a patch or hotfix. The ones I'm referring to are the M60 and this Fearless: a lack of forewarning about the M60 plunged the forums into a heated state (the thread is still growing everyday) and the lack of notification from employee to employee about the state of the Fearless. Given that these two issues are more prominent and damaging than other issues,why shouldn't I expect change? I doubt Wargaming would benefit if they don't change, as you say I should expect.

 

TL;DR - Because they're not as prominent and as damaging as you and many here perceive them to be.

 

1) Mistakes in the game are not all easily fixed. Ke Ni Otsu, Shinobi and IS-3 Defender were never fixed.

2) The way things are done in a company go across all departments if the rule is to do things fast and with minimal staffing. That's how the same type of mistakes recur across products and platforms over sustained periods. WG accepts that it will make mistakes and considers fixing them easier and cheaper than developing products more carefully. They're quite open about it. This means that marketing staff (could be one person who has to deal with three different products; ever notice how some tickets for Blitz are answered with content that's from PC or ships?) do not know that carelessly tapping IS-6 Fearless instead of IS-6 is meaningful and will not tell the two apart visually or substantively. 

3) Compensation for mistakes is usually adequate, bordering on generous, with this current matter not being an exception. 

4) With all due respect, the forums are in a constant heated state because they're populated mostly by schoolchildren and bored adults. Chaos here reflects little beyond the state of mind of those present; it certainly doesn't reflect the state of the game, how most players experience the game or has much influence on the overall running of the game.

 

I don't wish to disinter the leper corpse here, but the M60 "fiasco" was WG wanting to give a free tier 10 tank to those who have spent a lot of money on this game. There may have been a bug in the code but every person I recognize as a true big spender got one. There's nothing wrong with giving a 40% noob with 800 battles who has bought 30 premium tanks and never grinded past tier 4 a free tier 10 while not giving me one. It's neither game breaking or unfair, and the fact people feel so butthurt and entitled about it is sad. More importantly, precious few outside the 200-300 people on the forums who didn't get one care.

 

The disappearance of General Chat was a bigger deal to the playerbase. 

 

For the most part what WG does works. For you this won't work because:

 

View PostNek3d, on 28 February 2017 - 04:01 PM, said:

The problem is that any complaints to WG only work as long as some financial transaction is directly involved. I received the tank for exchange of my time and effort playing in CW, so there is exactly 0% chance of leveraging that into any sort of compensation.


Edited by mike82198, 28 February 2017 - 09:27 PM.


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I think we're going to have to send out several tickets before we buy any new packages that arrive at the store, to make sure WG really is a "serious company," or is making a joke with us, from the subject of the M60 where No satisfaction was given, only a problem ignored, I lost my confidence by this "company" .... it would be nice to treat your players with more respect, after all, we are not only players but customers that pay and that require more seriousness ....


An example of a lack of respect: The Portuguese forum is not moderated, there are several ads and sales topics there that have to be deleted, and they have been there since May last year, there is no moderator to do anything about ...


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View Postmike82198, on 28 February 2017 - 05:24 PM, said:

I don't wish to disinter the leper corpse here, but the M60 "fiasco" was WG wanting to give a free tier 10 tank to those who have spent a lot of money on this game. There may have been a bug in the code but every person I recognize as a true big spender got one.

 

*looks in garage, sees no M60*  Nope, sorry Mike.


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View PostNek3d, on 28 February 2017 - 01:01 PM, said:

PS. Seems like only NA gets the reversal. On Ru Fearless was recalled from those who bought it and that was the final decision on the matter.

 

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View PostCC_Sly, on 28 February 2017 - 06:14 PM, said:

 

 

I cannot offer anything to the owners of the IS-6 Fearless who obtained them through Clan Wars in regards to this situation. 

 

What about giving us the IS-5 as a substitute? Considering you've already devalued the Fearless what's the point of owning it? I played against people who I beat in clan wars, driving their own fearless. You've ruined it entirely and everything that it stood for. You honestly might as well just openly sell it now that hundreds of random people have one. What a disgrace. I know this doesn't happen in World of Tanks PC


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Was the Fearless offered for sale in the gift shop across all the servers?

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With all of the feedback that we have received regarding the IS-6 Fearless & the Jagdtiger 8.8 Snowstorm being removed from the Gift Store and players accounts, a decision has been made to return the tank(s) to the accounts to the players that have previously received or purchased them!

 

The tanks will be returned to the recipient accounts starting on 03/01/17.

 

If you did not receive the tank(s) that were removed from your account, please feel free to contact us for further assistance.

 

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View PostNjourour, on 28 February 2017 - 10:08 PM, said:

With all of the feedback that we have received regarding the IS-6 Fearless & the Jagdtiger 8.8 Snowstorm being removed from the Gift Store and players accounts, a decision has been made to return the tank(s) to the accounts to the players that have previously received or purchased them!

 

The tanks will be returned to the recipient accounts starting on 03/01/17.

 

If you did not receive the tank(s) that were removed from your account, please feel free to contact us for further assistance.

 

:honoring:

 

are you going to start giving our participation awards for tournaments now too? I don't think it's fair that only the winners and people that advance past the first round get prizes...

 


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View PostNjourour, on 28 February 2017 - 05:08 PM, said:

With all of the feedback that we have received regarding the IS-6 Fearless & the Jagdtiger 8.8 Snowstorm being removed from the Gift Store and players accounts, a decision has been made to return the tank(s) to the accounts to the players that have previously received or purchased them!

 

The tanks will be returned to the recipient accounts starting on 03/01/17.

 

If you did not receive the tank(s) that were removed from your account, please feel free to contact us for further assistance.

 

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View PostCptCheez, on 28 February 2017 - 04:43 PM, said:

*looks in garage, sees no M60*  Nope, sorry Mike.

 

A couple dozen premiums don't make me (or WG) recognize you as a big spender. Start regularly free xp'ing whole lines and maybe in 2019 your long dormant account will get a free A7 Rancid (IS7 hull with A20 gun at tier 7 with vomit camo). 



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View PostNjourour, on 28 February 2017 - 02:08 PM, said:

If you did not receive the tank(s) that were removed from your account, please feel free to contact us for further assistance.

 

I got my unique CW rewards tank removed from my account and replaced with the one that anyone could buy in the gift shop. Please help :P


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I'm just gonna sell the half baked Pos 

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