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generaldestruction1 #241 Posted 17 March 2017 - 11:54 PM

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View PostBorisBaddenov, on 17 March 2017 - 08:16 PM, said:

 

Hmmm....

 

While there are always exceptions that prove the rule, you have this *exactly* reversed.   

So I guess the defender is not better than the is3(higher alpha, faster speed and acceleration), the super Pershing is not better than the pershing(alpha and armour), the t34 is not better that the t32(alpha and armour), the t54 mod1 doesn't have more armour and a better gun than a t44, and so on. I guess these might be the exceptions you were referring to. I must have been mistaken. My apologies.



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View Postgeneraldestruction1, on 17 March 2017 - 03:54 PM, said:

So I guess the defender is not better than the is3(higher alpha, faster speed and acceleration), the super Pershing is not better than the pershing(alpha and armour), the t34 is not better that the t32(alpha and armour), the t54 mod1 doesn't have more armour and a better gun than a t44, and so on. I guess these might be the exceptions you were referring to. I must have been mistaken. My apologies.

 

Those are great examples of the exceptions I was talking about.

 

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Greetings!
I am one of the people who would love +1/-1 on PC. Having it here, along with no Arty, is quite a relief from WoT play.

My vote--if we were to vote-- is: Keep it +1/-1.

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View PostMontigue, on 18 March 2017 - 12:21 AM, said:

Greetings!
I am one of the people who would love +1/-1 on PC. Having it here, along with no Arty, is quite a relief from WoT play.

My vote--if we were to vote-- is: Keep it +1/-1.

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Knight350 #245 Posted 18 March 2017 - 07:39 AM

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I remember when mm was +2/-2...
I had to fight an IS-3 in my VK 28.01 while using the 105mm gun e.e
Then I got into a platoon with a Tier VII and had to fight a T-54 with the same 105mm o.o
Needless to say I died with something like 500 damage done the whole game.

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View Postgeneraldestruction1, on 17 March 2017 - 07:54 PM, said:

So I guess the defender is not better than the is3(higher alpha, faster speed and acceleration), the

super Pershing is not better than the pershing(alpha and armour), the

t34 is not better that the t32(alpha and armour), the

t54 mod1 doesn't have more armour and a better gun than a t44, and so on. I guess these might be the exceptions you were referring to. I must have been mistaken. My apologies.

The IS-3 has better DPM, pen, dispersion, and mobility

The Pershing has better weapon handling and mobility

The T32 has better DPM, weapon handling, mobility, and turret armor.

The T-44 has better DPM, accuracy, gun depression, and mobility the the 54-1. The 54 has better armor.

 

like I said, there are trade offs. 


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View PostKnight350, on 18 March 2017 - 01:39 AM, said:

I remember when mm was +2/-2...
I had to fight an IS-3 in my VK 28.01 while using the 105mm gun e.e
Then I got into a platoon with a Tier VII and had to fight a T-54 with the same 105mm o.o
Needless to say I died with something like 500 damage done the whole game.

So you actually exceeded your 443 avg dmg in your VK28.01.

You failtoon, dont know how to play the VK28.01 and its MM's problem.

Solid argument. 


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View PostAManBunIsADoucheDonut, on 18 March 2017 - 03:15 PM, said:

So you actually exceeded your 443 avg dmg in your VK28.01.

You failtoon, dont know how to play the VK28.01 and its MM's problem.

Solid argument. 

Pretty much xD

Also, why does everyone insist on looking at my stats :/

I know they suck but seriously.


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View PostAManBunIsADoucheDonut, on 18 March 2017 - 03:15 PM, said:

So you actually exceeded your 443 avg dmg in your VK28.01.

You failtoon, dont know how to play the VK28.01 and its MM's problem.

Solid argument. 

Pretty much xD

Also, why does everyone insist on looking at my stats :/

I know they suck but seriously.


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No, it's better now.

 

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View PostKnight350, on 18 March 2017 - 08:26 PM, said:

Pretty much xD

Also, why does everyone insist on looking at my stats :/

I know they suck but seriously.

 

Stats generally show if the player can make a credible point regarding the game.  

 

 


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View Post__Crusader6__, on 19 March 2017 - 12:04 PM, said:

 

Stats generally show if the player can make a credible point regarding the game.  

 

 

Fair enough :)

 


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View PostWMd76, on 10 March 2017 - 11:02 AM, said:

 

First off, this is a terribad rebuttal, your examples are light tanks, you do realize they have scout mm on pc so blitz's +2/-2 with lights would be way easier than pc + for those who say "its +1/-1 to make it easier for the noobs" thats what the bloody hit skin was for :facepalm: 

 

I've never played Blitz on the PC, so I can't speak to it.  You can also "failtoon" in the mobile version and play 2+/- as well.  Also, the other platforms often have larger matches.  The 7 on 7 format of Blitz makes it far worse accomodating in this regard.  If it was 10 on 10, it'd probably be worthwhile.

 

There's a ton of tanks besides lights.  Those were just two that came to mind.  Bushka's channel on YouTube has many tanks he's rereviewed since they were terrible tanks at 2+/- and given better recommendations to.  There's a handful of heavies and TD's that would be brutal.  Part of the reason the "Russian bias" exists is because they were often dominant playing in the 2+/- format.  The world of tanks (pun intended) has opened up.  The variety is great.  The French line would be worthless with 2+/-. The Jap line already is.

 

It's not about making it easier.  There's certain tanks that are hard to play with 1+/-, but they are still playable.  It's a relative fairness and enjoyment of the game.  The game is more fun when it's easier, but it's a careful balance.  2+/- throws that off, in my opinion.



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View PostDirk_The_Dragon_Slayer, on 20 March 2017 - 11:31 AM, said:

 

I've never played Blitz on the PC, so I can't speak to it.  You can also "failtoon" in the mobile version and play 2+/- as well.  Also, the other platforms often have larger matches.  The 7 on 7 format of Blitz makes it far worse accomodating in this regard.  If it was 10 on 10, it'd probably be worthwhile.

 

There's a ton of tanks besides lights.  Those were just two that came to mind.  Bushka's channel on YouTube has many tanks he's rereviewed since they were terrible tanks at 2+/- and given better recommendations to.  There's a handful of heavies and TD's that would be brutal.  Part of the reason the "Russian bias" exists is because they were often dominant playing in the 2+/- format.  The world of tanks (pun intended) has opened up.  The variety is great.  The French line would be worthless with 2+/-. The Jap line already is.

 

It's not about making it easier.  There's certain tanks that are hard to play with 1+/-, but they are still playable.  It's a relative fairness and enjoyment of the game.  The game is more fun when it's easier, but it's a careful balance.  2+/- throws that off, in my opinion.

Are you crazy sir? :P the french would be op with +2/-2, the variety isnt great (tier 8, i mean IS) and bushka isnt the best player hes wrong about many things IMO, and also the reverse aboot what you said is also true, there were tanks that basically had 1 purpose to excel in +2/-2 and now are worthless, the Churghill GC is jsut 1 example


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View PostWMd76, on 20 March 2017 - 01:26 PM, said:

Are you crazy sir? :P the french would be op with +2/-2, the variety isnt great (tier 8, i mean IS) and bushka isnt the best player hes wrong about many things IMO, and also the reverse aboot what you said is also true, there were tanks that basically had 1 purpose to excel in +2/-2 and now are worthless, the Churghill GC is jsut 1 example

 

I may be.  I seem to have contrary opinions when it comes to some of these threads.  I disagree with the French line.  It and the Jap line seem to have some problems that in my head would be accentuated, not improved.  Full disclosure, I've only played through tier 5, but do have an FCM I won that I like.  I'm basing what I am saying on playing against them.  The newest Russian and US light tank lines are the same.  An MT25 playing tier 8?  Sheesh.

 

I don't know that the Churchill GC was ever worthwhile.  I liked it, but recognized it needed proper scenarios to be effective.  Facing two tiers up would again seem to exaggerate those issues, not help them.

 

I'm not here to defend Bushka and disagree with him myself on some things, but my point was the game is very different.  The number of tanks that are now effective or fun to play greatly outnumber the ones that aren't, if we take the game as a whole.



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View PostDirk_The_Dragon_Slayer, on 20 March 2017 - 03:57 PM, said:

 

I may be.  I seem to have contrary opinions when it comes to some of these threads.  I disagree with the French line.  It and the Jap line seem to have some problems that in my head would be accentuated, not improved.  Full disclosure, I've only played through tier 5, but do have an FCM I won that I like.  I'm basing what I am saying on playing against them.  The newest Russian and US light tank lines are the same.  An MT25 playing tier 8?  Sheesh.

 

I don't know that the Churchill GC was ever worthwhile.  I liked it, but recognized it needed proper scenarios to be effective.  Facing two tiers up would again seem to exaggerate those issues, not help them.

 

I'm not here to defend Bushka and disagree with him myself on some things, but my point was the game is very different.  The number of tanks that are now effective or fun to play greatly outnumber the ones that aren't, if we take the game as a whole.

again on pc wot and mt25 would see tier 9s... well until these new tier 10 lights come


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To be honest the people that really are against 2/2 are just a bunch of stat padding insecure babies. I mean come on 2/2 requires skill. If you don't have any skill get some

 

 

 


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View Post_GhostHuey, on 21 March 2017 - 12:32 AM, said:

To be honest the people that really are against 2/2 are just a bunch of stat padding insecure babies. I mean come on 2/2 requires skill. If you don't have any skill get some

 

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