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ShootinSabot #1 Posted 19 March 2017 - 05:04 AM

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I have acquired the IS 6 after watching some review videos and have been disappointed with it. I wasn't expecting to be a Unicom but at least be in the games. It seems to me that it is tough to be competitive at t8 and up unless you are willing to fire premmo as your standard ammo. Am I missing something about this tank?  or are other drivers finding this applies to most upper tier tanks?


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iWo1f #2 Posted 19 March 2017 - 05:07 AM

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ShootinSabot #3 Posted 19 March 2017 - 05:17 AM

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I looked at the second gun and figured I would be even worse off with a slower ROF.

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Shockey_ #4 Posted 19 March 2017 - 05:19 AM

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You should be able to play tier 8 without using gold ammo. Using gold ammo use to be looked down upon, you would get cussed out for using that stuff. But the community really has changed, most of the trolls are only here to promote WG. The more credits you waste/use, the better it is for the game. That's why you see gold flying a lightly armored tanks, its promoted for profit. 

 

It is odd. The mm went to a friendlier AP environment, yet the gold ammo keeps flying. They shoot gold at SP 1C's, not HE, but gold. 


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Storm216 #5 Posted 19 March 2017 - 05:19 AM

    Wait, HEAT isn't standard ammo?!

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Aim for weak spots, but on many heavies, you will need to use prammo to pen them frontally. AP works fine for most targets.

KeenGear #6 Posted 19 March 2017 - 05:34 AM

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Use D30A gun. It fires APCR rounds. What is the point of having a bit better RoF but you cannot pen enemy tanks?

ShootinSabot #7 Posted 19 March 2017 - 05:42 AM

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So basically what you are saying is that premmo is required to be competitive at t8 and up. If everyone else is using it I should to. I don't object to using premmo. It's part of the game. I more wondering if it is the default ammo at higher tiers and newbs:-) (me) should know it is going to cost you credits to be in the game at higher tiers.

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KeenGear #8 Posted 19 March 2017 - 06:08 AM

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With D30A gun, it fires APCR rounds as standard. It costs you 1930 credits per round.

With D30 gun, if you fire APCR rounds, it costs you 4800 credits per round.

It is just an economic sense.

 



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With D30A I almost never have to fire Prammo. Make sure if you do you are using credits, not gold. 

 


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Lt_Xman #10 Posted 19 March 2017 - 06:58 AM

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Whichever gun basically comes down to your play style I use the higher Dpm gun with APCR as prammo. In my experience I've only seen people get PO'ed over HEAT spam no one really says anything about APCR.

Reason for DPM gun: your effectively losing a shell and if you bounce especially since your gun is trollish already your not gonna do much. The ROF and gun handling will be a nightmare if ammo rack, loader, or gunner goes. Use AP since Ap can arch targets doesn't have the chance of being absorbed by tracks (close range to mid range) usually works. APCR for frontal pens, snapshots, and precision aiming since APCR has high shell velocity. Not to mention ROF is wanted for when your brawling (especially Meds) one shell in at the right time could safe your life and the game.

IS-6 has one of the best credit coefficients in tier 8 so economy really isn't much of a issue.


ChitFromChinola #11 Posted 19 March 2017 - 07:48 AM

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Try the second gun -- I think you'll like it better.

M00niac #12 Posted 19 March 2017 - 08:01 AM

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If you are using so much prammo that you are losing credits with a premium tank, then yeah, you are likely using too much prammo. If you are using no prammo, and not winning games, then you are cheaping out on your team. Shame. 

 

Realistically, if you are short on credits, you are likely playing the wrong tier.  Go back to a tier where you can make a profit because that's your top level (except 9 up, where if you are winning over 53% or so, you're good.  



supercessna1959 #13 Posted 19 March 2017 - 08:20 AM

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Playing the Is6 as a heavy T34 player and proud of so, I didn't know what to expect when i got my is6. But i will give you some tips. The 2nd gun has more pen yes, but the apcr round were near double the cost of the 1st guns AP rounds, and yes the rof is slower. The 2nd gun's heat rounds are super expensive too. If you have a premium account, I'd reccomend usingg the 2nd gun. If you don't, just stick to the 1st gun and stick with it. Now my advice for the first gun is, If you have a few hundred thousand in the bank of credits, keep around 3-5 apcr rounds just in case, but mostly fire AP and HE and look for weakspots and shoot the sides or rear. Best advice i can give ya, Also shoot the enemies tracks with HE or shoot with AP to track them. Good luck :)
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Mike_Havel #14 Posted 19 March 2017 - 10:53 AM

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Learn weakspots bro the first gun is competitive with out prammo, but like previously stated if youre having issues making creds in a premium tank then you are using way to much, know when to use prammo and when not to.
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View PostEdward045, on 19 March 2017 - 12:42 AM, said:

So basically what you are saying is that premmo is required to be competitive at t8 and up. 

Pramo can make up for inexperience. It's not necessarily a requirement on a lot of tanks, and you may find yourself using less over time. If you do notice that, switch to the ROF gun, but to start off learning the tank and the tier, go for the one with more pen.

 

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View Post_War_Child_, on 20 June 2017 - 12:16 PM, said:

Let's face it, they don't even know what it will be and even if they do, they'll probably implement it wrong.

 


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View PostEdward045, on 19 March 2017 - 12:42 AM, said:

So basically what you are saying is that premmo is required to be competitive at t8 and up. If everyone else is using it I should to. I don't object to using premmo. It's part of the game. I more wondering if it is the default ammo at higher tiers and newbs:-) (me) should know it is going to cost you credits to be in the game at higher tiers.

 

Prammo is required, prammo spam is not. So no, I'd say it's not the default ammo. 

 

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Chariot_Solace #17 Posted 19 March 2017 - 01:38 PM

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I went completely without prammo for the longest time. And I fought most of my battles at tiers 8 and 9, and I still do. I just like those tiers. But yea. I didn't use it. And still managed a 50%+ win rate. I happened to be driving lots of tanks with good pen at the time by coincidence though. You don't absolutely need it, but it is nice to carry a few rounds. Even heavily armored tanks for the most part, have at least one weak spot that you can pen with regular AP. There are a few tanks that I have driven, which I found prammo to be absolutely necessary. But even then you don't fire prammo exclusively. Only frontal shots on heavies and heavy tank destroyers. The E-100 for sure. Because it has the absolute worst AP pen of every single tier X tank in the game, and sub par gun handling, so you can't snipe weak spots with it. Man, those HEAT rounds are hell fire though. The Borsig for the same reasons, but more for the handling. And the Blaze. Bad pen and accuracy again. Can't pen an IS-3 frontally without it.

 

So just get in the habit of carrying 3-5 rounds depending on what tank you drive. That's what I do. And spend credits on them not gold. That's also unnecessary.


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Thank you for the question Edward I was going to buy that tank and I didn't know if it would be worth it

ShootinSabot #19 Posted 19 March 2017 - 04:41 PM

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I would like to thank all those who replied to my first post. You have made me feel better and worse. Better because the consensus seems to be that premmo/prammo is not the default ammo and worse because as has been repeated over and over, it's the driver not the tank. 

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View PostEdward045, on 19 March 2017 - 04:41 PM, said:

I would like to thank all those who replied to my first post. You have made me feel better and worse. Better because the consensus seems to be that premmo/prammo is not the default ammo and worse because as has been repeated over and over, it's the driver not the tank. 

 

That's  good because the driver can get better with practice. I believe in you.

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